Looking to buy a few egg laying hen chicks STT

Yes, I do stop at stop signs (good way to get killed if you don't on this island) I wear my seatbelt, I don't drive drunk, I don't smoke weed,
I don't litter, I obey the laws, rules and regulations. Don't you?
The problem lies with people that don't and circumvent the laws for their own purposes.

Yes, I do stop at stop signs (good way to get killed if you don't on this island) I wear my seatbelt, I don't drive drunk, I don't smoke weed,
I don't litter, I obey the laws, rules and regulations. Don't you?
The problem lies with people that don't and circumvent the laws for their own purposes.

I don't see the whole point of the OPs new defense relative to this discussion anyway. The whole issue isn't one of legality or illegality - that was brought up as a side issue. Obviously the poster isn't aware of the ongoing problems with feral chickens (which is nothing new and has been the subject of many a senatorial debate) and she doesn't care anyway. She's got her project planned and that's that.

Right OT because thats what I said!?!? They ONLY point is that of legality. I just take offense that you called me "insane" and as always you know all that is all. I am sorry but that is how you came off in this thread. I get the point - I am a little irritated that because some people don't like chickens that its a taboo if get them myself. Personally I cant stand weed and I have to smell it which makes me physically sick at nearly half the places I go to. You don't see me on here boycotting it simply because I do not like it and its is surely illegal lol. I guess I am more laid back when it comes to people liking and disliking different things. I like chickens, you don't. IMO thats no reason to dub me insane even in a joke, I just think that was rude. I also feel that you judge me on the bias that other islanders simply let their chickens out to procreate and roam free. I feel that there was a lot of presumptuous comments from you. I DO value your opinion on the board and many have really helped me along my way. It is hard to tell inflection but if a snotty attitude is NOT what you intend then I am sorry as thats the way I read it. Alana is really the only one that can truly comment as she knows the zoning at my property, which is in fact Residential I found out this morning so case closed. Lets get back to bit%&g about wapa or something with some substance.

Interestingly, the actual code for R-1 and R-2 zones, as a matter of right, you are allowed:

"2. Agriculture, Crops, Fruits & Vegetables"

And, in the definitions area, "Agricultural use" is stated as,

"(5) Agricultural use. Cultivation of the ground, including harvesting crops and rearing and management of livestock; tillage; husbandry; farming; horticulture and forestry."

Seems to include rearing and management of livestock. Note, that the full two-word term of "Agricultural Use" doesn't appear anywhere else in the zoning code other than definitions.

For the A-1 and A-2 zones, the text for allowed uses is a little different, individually calling out the parts of agriculture,

"1. Agriculture
Crops, Fruits & Vegetables
Fish & Marine Products (Hatcheries & Pond)
Forest & Forestry
Horticulture
Livestock & Poultry"

They may have intended to word the R-1 section differently, and by removing the word agriculture would make that intention clear - corn and mangoes good, goats and chickens bad. But, since the zoning code lumps the chickens along with the mango trees by using 'agriculture', I'd have to suggest disallowing chickens also argues against being able to harvest fruit. I wonder how lots of little animals, like bees, belong in the zoning code...

Most residential zoning laws allow pet birds, provided its not a business.

Right OT because thats what I said!?!? They ONLY point is that of legality. I just take offense that you called me "insane" and as always you know all that is all. I am sorry but that is how you came off in this thread. I get the point - I am a little irritated that because some people don't like chickens that its a taboo if get them myself. Personally I cant stand weed and I have to smell it which makes me physically sick at nearly half the places I go to. You don't see me on here boycotting it simply because I do not like it and its is surely illegal lol. I guess I am more laid back when it comes to people liking and disliking different things. I like chickens, you don't. IMO thats no reason to dub me insane even in a joke, I just think that was rude. I also feel that you judge me on the bias that other islanders simply let their chickens out to procreate and roam free. I feel that there was a lot of presumptuous comments from you. I DO value your opinion on the board and many have really helped me along my way. It is hard to tell inflection but if a snotty attitude is NOT what you intend then I am sorry as thats the way I read it. Alana is really the only one that can truly comment as she knows the zoning at my property, which is in fact Residential I found out this morning so case closed. Lets get back to bit%&g about wapa or something with some substance.

Please read contextually. I did not refer to you as being insane. I referred to the "irony" of buying chickens here (which was brought up by you) as being better described as "insanity". Nor do I dislike chickens. I've had them myself in the past both in the UK and in the USA and find them to be quite charming. Again, please read contextually. It's clear from the posts on this thread that the primary objection to chickens/roosters is the noise created in a residential neighborhood. The zoning fact was secondary to the initial commentary.

Before poo-pooing and taking umbrage at comments with which you disagree it's helpful to understand that on community issues even related to island chickens there is "history" involved in those comments.

As far as the analogy of the smell of weed making you physically ill then maybe just don't hang out at those places - weed isn't smoked universally here and there are only a very few places I go to where I can guarantee I'll get a whiff. Cigarette smoke can be equally upsetting and when restaurants and bars allowed smoking until only quite recently, those who were bothered by it simply opted to patronize smoke-free establishments. Rather different from trying to escape the raucous crowing of a bush rooster whose loud yodeling bounces from hill to hill and mountain to mountain in the wee hours of the morning.

I don't think its any coincidence that the same people are always attacking others on this board. Its pretty clear who is a bully here over and over. I used to post here quite often but couldn't deal with the constant attacks from the same people.

The woman wants some chickens so she can get some nice eggs big deal just leave her alone.

Potholes, bad roads, dogs barking, airplanes, high electricity, loud music, loud blaring church services, chickens, stray dogs, stray cats, stray horses, I could go on and on.

Some things people like and some things people don't. The day something bothers me that much, I will leave the island. In the meantime, this is the way it is. I can either accept that these things are part of life here and enjoy this wonderful place as I have been or be miserable about it.

Thanks gringojj

I understand, I don't just do whatever I wish on a whim... I do listen and take advice from many on this board vs "my plan and thats that". I am very openminded which I hope has translated in my posts for well over a year now. We have a great relationship with our neighbors, and enjoy their company and share my garden goodies with them. I want to keep it that way as our area is tight knit and we all really watch out for one another. Thats one reason I rented here.

Unfortunately the two places such as Hull bay and Coki are on my route for work and can not be avoided. Actually its a shame that Coki is so smoke laden. My guests always comment on it. It's a a beautiful beach that IMO visitors are not to miss, regardless of the illegal activities going on there. Its funny... some consider it "charm" (iguanas, chickens pot smoking) and some don't. I do my best to stay away from da smoke - that smell just is horrid to me, but heh to each their own.... not that I condone illegal activity but Im not the law. Alana - good to know me and my other half aren't the only non-smokers on the island HAHHA! I was beginning to think we were all alone in that respect.

Most residential zoning laws allow pet birds, provided its not a business.

Yes you can keep parrots, parakeets, other exotic birds (that have been either ripped from their native homes or bred into captivity to spend their lives in small cages for their "owners" amusement) however, chickens and roosters are considered "livestock" not pets. You cannot have a "pet" chicken or rooster because they are not considered such , legally, on properties not zoned A-1/A-2.

Those that have parrots, macaws, etc. can also be a noise nuisance to their neighbors.
Personally, I would never rent to anyone with them, either.

I have many free roaming chickens and roosters (not mine) in my yard and I have to say we have absolutely no bugs, not even ants. I believe the chickens are eating them. so this is a huge benefit. As for the rooster noise, you just get use to it after a while. Every once in a while a couple of guys show up with a net and catch the roosters (for fighting is my guess).
I also thinking they are a part of the charm of the island. I also like the idea of fresh, organic eggs in my back yard.
I say go for it! Is someone really going to call on you to shut down? Ridiculous!. Way too many other more important issues.

Alana,

You may have more info than anyone else on this, but according to the Zoning Code, it does not appear to be illegal - again, R-xx allows for "agriculture", and the definition of "agriculture" includes "rearing and management of livestock". It reads pretty clearly, right? [Entire lines of the code were included in my post, above.]

Does the overall VI Code [not Title 29] have different [and, thus, conflicting] regulations??

I ask not to be argumentative - but I also plan to raise chickens in my [R-1] yard. My neighborhood doesn't seem to care nearly as much, but I'd like to know better what the laws truly are.

To be a full devil's advocate, if going by your definitions, are there chickens that are considered 'exotics' [some strange bantam tufted thingamajig]? How about guinea fowl - exotic or livestock? Peacocks - they're pretty but audibly annoying as #$&... while expensive to obtain, maybe they're equally tasty. If not, I guess we'll all have to think smaller, and have a half-dozen cockatoos for dinner.

Yes. according to the zoning codeT.29/228 Pg. 33:

R-1 Residential - Low density says Agriculture, Crops, fruits and vegetables. It does not add Livestock and Poultry.
Neither does R-2, etc.so they are NOT ALLOWED.

Only on pg. 29: A-1 Agriculture Zone does it state: Livestock and poultry.
Ditto Pg. 32 Agriculture A-2 does it have Livestock and Poultry which means they ARE ALLOWED. .

Hope that clears that up for you tdec.

I think what Ted was saying is that the definition as it reads was that "agriculture" includes poultry. It is confusing, and I too read as Ted did.

FWIW My neighbors pig ran into my house earlier tonight. Whats that listed as? I'd assume livestock LMAO... I guess they didn't get the R-1 memo either. He is such a cutie! Lured him back outside with a mango and he hung out with me while I gardened... the cats were WAY less than thrilled, but I think my lazy house kitties can use some excitement in their lives lol!

Sorry meant tdec - dyslexia & too late for an edit.

Ye Gads! I guess they never heard of zoning laws! Let us know how he enjoys your garden and how you enjoy having him run inside the house when it weighs 250 lbs and smells to high heaven. All I can say is good luck. What''s the little porker's name? BBQ?
Your neighborhood is not zoned for agriculture, so your neighbors with this little piggy are in violation as well.

It's so depressing IMO.

Had a friend that bought a nice little house on R-2 property, loved where she lived until her neighbor moved a herd of goats in. The noise and smells were overwhelming, day and nite. Took her a few months for the complaint to DPNR to wend its way thru all the red tape but
in the meantime she was subject to the constant nuisance. It's not fun when you are subjected to the noise and the smells and the lack of enjoyment of your own home due to all the zoning violations that go on here.....and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

My pet peeves are obviously roaming chickens and roosters and the lack of compliance with zoning laws.
People just don't give a crap, if you'll pardon the expression.
I have said my piece on this matter and I am done.
Y'all enjoy the charm of listening to roosters crow endlessly and having pigs in your house.
I am over it. FL keeps looking better and better the older I get and the longer I live here in the VI.

"(5) AGRICULTURAL USE. Cultivation of the ground, including harvesting crops AND REARING AND MANAGEMENT OF LIVESTOCK; tillage; husbandry; farming; horticulture and forestry." <--- simplified for easier reading

You may not *like* it, but it does not appear to be illegal either.

Unless it specifies poulrty and livestock it is not permitted. PERIOD.
Believe me, I know the law and have had many dealings with this over my life time in the VI with DPNR regarding this matter.

As above stated:

Yes. according to the zoning codeT.29/228 Pg. 33:

R-1 Residential - Low density says Agriculture, Crops, fruits and vegetables. It does not add Livestock and Poultry.
Neither does R-2, etc.so they are NOT ALLOWED.

Only on pg. 29: A-1 Agriculture Zone does it state: Livestock and poultry.
Ditto Pg. 32 Agriculture A-2 does it have Livestock and Poultry which means they ARE ALLOWED. .

Hope that clears that up for you tdec.

Kauai, the oldest Hawaiian island, has one local attraction not likely advertised to tourists: it is becoming overrun by wild roosters.

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/a/SB123863006121980573?mg=reno64-wsj

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123863006121980573.html

In 2012 there was a salmonella outbreak among 195 people in 27 states, which was linked to an Ohio mail-order hatchery for backyard flocks. “This outbreak investigation identified the largest number of human illnesses ever linked to contact with live poultry during a single outbreak,” NPR recently reported, “and it underscores the ongoing risk for human salmonellosis linked to backyard flocks.” Humans can get salmonella from chickens by touching them or their manure, and chickens can spread the bacteria even when they look healthy. A lot can be done to limit exposure to such bacteria by frequently washing your hands when handling chickens, either directly or indirectly (entering the coop, etc).

[www.wow.com]

In 2012 over 150 people in 30 states were stung by bees, all of whom were beekeepers!

[www.omfg.com]

This study also linked ownership of household domestic cats (which 200 million Americans are at risk!) with band-aids purchased for cuts and scratches!

[www.duh.com]

Young mothers are barfed on 1,200 times more frequently than the average American.

Thanks, that was AMAZING news!!

It was pointed out to me the above link in my post about Hawaii and roosters didn't work. Sorry about that.

This link should work.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123863006121980573.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

(Alana has it posted in her above post also. I missed that.)

A&A: Don't take these comments personally. People here have very strong reactions to certain things. Watch...

So I was walking on the coral the other day while I was out snorkeling...
😉

Yeah one time when I went to the states I smuggled a small piece of coral

Right EE... so now were comparing destroying the reefs to raising chickens? SMFH.... i'm out.

I am over it. FL keeps looking better and better the older I get and the longer I live here in the VI.

When can we expect this to happen?
Oh, and are you taking OT with you?