Teaparty not the only group targeted by the IRS

Federal governemnt: ignoring it's citizens desires and welfare since 1913

I may be wrong, but shouldn't people who are asking for special tax status be asked to prove they qualify?

I may be wrong, but shouldn't people who are asking for special tax status be asked to prove they qualify?

Yes. But they should all be treated equally. No special requirements for people who disagree with the current administration.

I agree. But if they're going after both the tea party and marijuana growers, it sounds like they are passing the pain around.

I agree. But if they're going after both the tea party and marijuana growers, it sounds like they are passing the pain around.

not really, those are both technically "enemy’s" of the current administration. They are simply leaning on those that aren't toeing the line.

BTW, the federal government has NO jurisdiction or standing to make Cannabis illegal, that power is reserved for the states under the 10th amendment & if any of these states could man up (and risk losing their federal subsidies, which is the TRUE control mechanism) they could put a stop to this over grown, out of control, law breaking federal government (which has very few actual powers).

Now the feds COULD put restrictions on interstate transfer of goods, that is well with in their powers, but inside a state the state has the power.

at least according to the founding documents.

SO, with all that in mind, enforcing illegal regulations via taxation is sort of a "bad thing" just like giving scrutiny to specific organizations because you "don’t like them"

Sorry I have to disagree with you, Liquid, about the 10th amendment. The Constitution and the amendment in particular, from something I wrote earlier:

US Constitution, 10th Amendment:
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

US Constitution, Article VI, the pertinent part only:
Article VI - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

What that essentially says, is that the government, Federal and/or State, is not only subservient to the Constitution, but that the Constitution is the government. The Constitution grants the Federal government the right to create laws as an extension of the Constitution, and as explicitly stated in the 10th Amendment, the States also have the right to create laws, also as an extension of the Constitution.

The Constitution makes it very clear that the Federal government's laws are subservient and not contradictory to the Constitution, and States laws are subservient and not contradictory to Federal law, as well as the Constitution.

Sorry I have to disagree with you, Liquid, about the 10th amendment. The Constitution and the amendment in particular, from something I wrote earlier:

US Constitution, 10th Amendment:
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

US Constitution, Article VI, the pertinent part only:
Article VI - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

What that essentially says, is that the government, Federal and/or State, is not only subservient to the Constitution, but that the Constitution is the government. The Constitution grants the Federal government the right to create laws as an extension of the Constitution, and as explicitly stated in the 10th Amendment, the States also have the right to create laws, also as an extension of the Constitution.

The Constitution makes it very clear that the Federal government's laws are subservient and not contradictory to the Constitution, and States laws are subservient and not contradictory to Federal law, as well as the Constitution.

well we are still in agreement then, since there are 18 enumerated "powers" of the federal government:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_powers

And since, as you stated, the 10th amendment says this:

US Constitution, 10th Amendment:
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I think my statement is still accurate.

as substance control does not fall under any of the enumerated powers (nor do many of the statues and regulations (not laws) that the federal government enforces)

I have to agree with you, Liquid. I wonder how this would/should have been applied to Prohibition.

I have to agree with you, Liquid. I wonder how this would/should have been applied to Prohibition.

well since you capitalized the P in prohibition I'll assume you meant the 1920's alcohol prohibition.

This was actually completely legal and done "correctly" by the government (yeah, a shock, i know....) with the passage of the 18th amendment.

You see amending the constitution is the legal way to change things in the USA (at an all encompasing (usualy federal) level), however that has been completely forgotten or ignored (since it is rather hard to do (as it SHOULD be hard to do!)) in modern times.

so the period of prohibition was correctly done. However the government still somewhat listened to its citizens then and The 21st Amendment repealed the 18th Amendment on December 5, 1933 (It is unique among the 27 Amendments of the U.S. Constitution for being the only one to repeal a previous Amendment, and for being the only one to have been ratified by the method of the state ratifying convention).

I would support what ever amendment made it through the process and was done in the proper legal way; circumventing the process and passing laws "willy nilly" as is done now is abhorrent, hypocritical & an affront to all that the United States is suppose to stand for.

(yes, I spend entirely too much time on the internet reading wierd topics.....)

The devil weed and Harry Anslinger

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men"

"... the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on degenerate races"

The devil weed and Harry Anslinger

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men"

"... the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on degenerate races"

Hahaha, why is it that when ever you look BACK at propiganda it's hillarious & you can't believe anyone falls for it, but when it's actively happening to you you fall for it....

This guy seems like he's a little insecure, thankfully his prohabition efforts didn't stop Jazz & Swing from being made!