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(@Gumbo)
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At this point they are fishing for a crime, if they can't prove collusion it needs to be wrapped up.
All of the people that voted for Trump are still behind him. They really should watch there step, Trumps fanbase is very large and capable. If there is any collusion its most likley between the swamp and the globalist elites. They will fight any change that puts the power back in the hands of the people.
Hopefully the rest of the people will wake up at some point and start thinking about being productive instead of drugs and freebies. It isn't the job of government provide for the people.

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 7:09 pm
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Russia is our enemy. Never has been a friend - never will be a friend. Where do you suppose its ICBMs point? The USSR and its agenda for global domination has only changed in name to Russia. Hostility is the correct response to Russia and its end game.

US sanctions against Russia are tied to the death of Sergei Magnitsky - a whistle blowing Russian attorney who was left to die in prison in Russia. Putin and Russia stopped US citizens from adopting Russian babies in response to these same sanctions. This is why "talking about Russian adoptions" makes Don Jr.'s meeting so suspicious.

Trump himself has done past real estate deals with some nasty folks from Russia. His guilt may be (and probably is) by association but I think that at this point we - the American public - need to know that for sure. If there's no collusion between Trump and/or his entourage and Russian enemies of the US - then let Mueller prove it one way or the other.

https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/hermitage-capital-lawyer-dies-in-russian-jail/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-rights-congress-magnitsky-idUSKBN13X2AH

With all these fabricated stories about Russian collusion, I always wonder what the end game is? IF there was collusion, what does anyone gain? What is the motive? What is the benefit?

Which brings us to today. Look at the current interactions between Russia and the US.

Pure hostility right now. What is being gained? What is the advantage that this alleged collusion for either participant?

Was there an answer in there somewhere?

If there was collusion, to what was the aim, and what is the effect?

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 7:10 pm
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World domination is Russia's/Putin's goal. A weakened US is a step forward in achieving this.

The benefit is removal of US sanctions against particular nasty oligarchs (friends of Putin) proscribed by the Magnitsky Act that limit their access to the US and its banking system - including their assets in the US. Any reference to Russian adoptions is a cloaked reference to the Magnitsky Act.

Collusion is not a crime, however. But there are crimes in which collusion is a part.

Russia is our enemy. Never has been a friend - never will be a friend. Where do you suppose its ICBMs point? The USSR and its agenda for global domination has only changed in name to Russia. Hostility is the correct response to Russia and its end game.

US sanctions against Russia are tied to the death of Sergei Magnitsky - a whistle blowing Russian attorney who was left to die in prison in Russia. Putin and Russia stopped US citizens from adopting Russian babies in response to these same sanctions. This is why "talking about Russian adoptions" makes Don Jr.'s meeting so suspicious.

Trump himself has done past real estate deals with some nasty folks from Russia. His guilt may be (and probably is) by association but I think that at this point we - the American public - need to know that for sure. If there's no collusion between Trump and/or his entourage and Russian enemies of the US - then let Mueller prove it one way or the other.

https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/hermitage-capital-lawyer-dies-in-russian-jail/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-rights-congress-magnitsky-idUSKBN13X2AH

With all these fabricated stories about Russian collusion, I always wonder what the end game is? IF there was collusion, what does anyone gain? What is the motive? What is the benefit?

Which brings us to today. Look at the current interactions between Russia and the US.

Pure hostility right now. What is being gained? What is the advantage that this alleged collusion for either participant?

Was there an answer in there somewhere?

If there was collusion, to what was the aim, and what is the effect?

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 7:38 pm
(@JohnnyU)
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Wait a second, countries act in their own best interest?

Thanks for the info

 
Posted : August 5, 2017 11:17 am
(@ironheadUSVI)
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That 'collusion' sure is working out well for Russia, isn't it? All we've done is slap more sanctions on them since the new President took office.

 
Posted : August 5, 2017 11:26 am
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Sanctions hurt the Russian people but not Putin and his global aspirations. They have given Putin an opportunity for a PR campaign blaming the US/West for Russia's current economic downturn.

Signing new sanctions - no harm no foul. Optics were well timed.

Some of Putin's friends want their fun money and toys back though.

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725806-whether-they-will-change-vladimir-putins-behaviour-another-matter-americas-new-economic

That 'collusion' sure is working out well for Russia, isn't it? All we've done is slap more sanctions on them since the new President took office.

 
Posted : August 5, 2017 12:13 pm
(@alana33)
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Donald Trump's malignant narcissism is toxic: Psychologist

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/trump-malignant-narcissistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

Social Psychological Perspectives on Trump Supporters
https://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/750/html

 
Posted : August 5, 2017 9:50 pm
(@ironheadUSVI)
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Sanctions hurt the Russian people but not Putin and his global aspirations. They have given Putin an opportunity for a PR campaign blaming the US/West for Russia's current economic downturn.

Signing new sanctions - no harm no foul. Optics were well timed.

Some of Putin's friends want their fun money and toys back though.

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725806-whether-they-will-change-vladimir-putins-behaviour-another-matter-americas-new-economic

That 'collusion' sure is working out well for Russia, isn't it? All we've done is slap more sanctions on them since the new President took office.

Still don't see how the alleged collusion is helping either party. But we can clearly see how it isn't.

 
Posted : August 5, 2017 11:02 pm
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Maybe we just need a reset button

Putin is probably happy that mouth breathers are trying to equate correlation with causation.

Sanctions hurt the Russian people but not Putin and his global aspirations. They have given Putin an opportunity for a PR campaign blaming the US/West for Russia's current economic downturn.

Signing new sanctions - no harm no foul. Optics were well timed.

Some of Putin's friends want their fun money and toys back though.

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725806-whether-they-will-change-vladimir-putins-behaviour-another-matter-americas-new-economic

That 'collusion' sure is working out well for Russia, isn't it? All we've done is slap more sanctions on them since the new President took office.

 
Posted : August 6, 2017 3:03 am
(@gators_mom)
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Aren't we looking for Mueller to hit the re-set?

Maybe we just need a reset button

Putin is probably happy that mouth breathers are trying to equate correlation with causation.

Sanctions hurt the Russian people but not Putin and his global aspirations. They have given Putin an opportunity for a PR campaign blaming the US/West for Russia's current economic downturn.

Signing new sanctions - no harm no foul. Optics were well timed.

Some of Putin's friends want their fun money and toys back though.

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725806-whether-they-will-change-vladimir-putins-behaviour-another-matter-americas-new-economic

That 'collusion' sure is working out well for Russia, isn't it? All we've done is slap more sanctions on them since the new President took office.

 
Posted : August 6, 2017 11:12 am
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http://thehill.com/homenews/news/345265-white-house-set-for-renovations-as-trump-goes-on-working-vacation

alana, you would rather the white house stay in a state of disrepair like all of our government buildings do? or is maintenance okay?

 
Posted : August 7, 2017 2:35 pm
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If the facts warrant it, yes. Though if guilty an Eject button would be more apropos.

Aren't we looking for Mueller to hit the re-set?

Maybe we just need a reset button

Putin is probably happy that mouth breathers are trying to equate correlation with causation.

Sanctions hurt the Russian people but not Putin and his global aspirations. They have given Putin an opportunity for a PR campaign blaming the US/West for Russia's current economic downturn.

Signing new sanctions - no harm no foul. Optics were well timed.

Some of Putin's friends want their fun money and toys back though.

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725806-whether-they-will-change-vladimir-putins-behaviour-another-matter-americas-new-economic

That 'collusion' sure is working out well for Russia, isn't it? All we've done is slap more sanctions on them since the new President took office.

 
Posted : August 7, 2017 4:43 pm
(@Gumbo)
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If we ignore all of the drama, I would say President Trump has accomplished alot so far. Many people are happy with him, the swamp will do anything to keep that gravy train fueled up.

Trump 2020!

 
Posted : August 7, 2017 6:20 pm
(@alana33)
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This presidency is a malignant tumor.
2020?
We'll be lucky to survive the damage he's done and continues in 2017.

 
Posted : August 9, 2017 9:38 pm
(@Gumbo)
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This presidency is a malignant tumor.
2020?
We'll be lucky to survive the damage he's done and continues in 2017.

That exactly what I was thinking about the second year of President Obama.
Our country is certainly divided politically.
I am excited excited for President Trump's opportunity to pin the supreme court too the right for a generation. I don't believe our country would have peacefully survived another eight years of wealth redistribution. All of those people that you see in those stadiums supporting President Trump were getting pretty sick of it.

 
Posted : August 9, 2017 11:26 pm
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I don't recall seeing a lot of wealthy looking people in the film footage of those stadiums. The wealthy don't seem to be complaining about jobs going oversees or to immigrants.

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 12:56 am
(@ironheadUSVI)
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I don't recall seeing a lot of wealthy looking people in the film footage of those stadiums. The wealthy don't seem to be complaining about jobs going oversees or to immigrants.

You can tell whether a person is wealthy or not from how they look?

That is an amazing skill...

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 10:03 am
(@gators_mom)
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Better be practicing your duck and cover drills!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 10:33 am
(@speee1dy)
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what does wealth look like? lot of wealthy people dont go flaunting it.

I don't recall seeing a lot of wealthy looking people in the film footage of those stadiums. The wealthy don't seem to be complaining about jobs going oversees or to immigrants.

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 10:57 am
(@alana33)
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Donald Trump said 26 false things in that Wall Street Journal interview, 500 total

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/08/08/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html

LIAR IN CHIEF.

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 4:11 pm
(@ironheadUSVI)
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Donald Trump said 26 false things in that Wall Street Journal interview, 500 total

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/08/08/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html

LIAR IN CHIEF.

So? And did we blow up, did we all die, did the market crash? Nope. We still march forward,

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 4:22 pm
(@speee1dy)
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ALL presidents lie, why is it only now you have a problem with presidents lying.

 
Posted : August 10, 2017 6:26 pm
(@ironheadUSVI)
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ALL presidents lie, why is it only now you have a problem with presidents lying.

I'll bet I can guess the answer to that one...

 
Posted : August 11, 2017 9:45 am
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lol, most people can

ALL presidents lie, why is it only now you have a problem with presidents lying.

I'll bet I can guess the answer to that one...

 
Posted : August 11, 2017 10:50 am
(@alana33)
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Have you ever seen such a pathologically LYING president?
This guy lies as easily as he breathes. Even about things there's no reason to LIE about and are easily fact check.
A prolific LIAR.
You can't think it's remotely normal for anyone, much less a president, to LIE every time he opens his mouth.

 
Posted : August 11, 2017 11:55 pm
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