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(@alana33)
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So where did your family immigrate from?
Ya must've come from somewhere?
And you had the freedom to move to the VI.

 
Posted : August 1, 2017 10:28 pm
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My ancestors are Irish, Croation, & Cherokee. I am a supporter of legal immigration and stopping the flow of drugs from Mexico. I am also a supporter of guest workers from Mexico that are not criminals and are here legally.

 
Posted : August 1, 2017 10:57 pm
(@alana33)
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Good that you and your family were able to immigrate.
Any specific reasons they fled?

 
Posted : August 1, 2017 11:01 pm
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Most likley the same reasons everyone came. I believe to escape religious persecution in Yugoslavia. Most Irish came to escape poverty. The Cherokee were here already.

 
Posted : August 1, 2017 11:09 pm
(@alana33)
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I guess you got lucky not having boarders closed, walls built and anti-immigration laws imposed.

 
Posted : August 1, 2017 11:41 pm
(@alana33)
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Donald Trump’s unfitness for office

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/30/observer-view-of-donald-trump-unifit-for-office

 
Posted : August 1, 2017 11:44 pm
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I guess you got lucky not having boarders closed, walls built and anti-immigration laws imposed.[/quote

Actually I feel very fortunate to be an American. Unlawful immigration is very unfair to people from other countries that wish to immigrate and do not share a border with the U.S. Of course our borders should be controlled and illegal immigration should not be tolerated, so that legal immigrants can be as fortunate as my ancestors were. I also believe inTrump's plan about no welfare for immigrants for the first five years. There was no such thing as welfare when my ancestors came. Maybe we just fundimentally disagree about many social issues. We can, we are Americans.

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 12:27 am
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I guess you got lucky not having ...........anti-immigration laws imposed.

Amazing., uou really believe in unfettered immigration, open borders, and letting anyone come in without paperwork that wants to?

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 9:54 am
(@alana33)
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We already have a system in place to vet immigrants, prior to trump.
I support legal immigration.

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 12:07 pm
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The shoreline of the US is over 95,000 miles long. The US border with Canada exceeds 5,500 miles. No matter what, the US border will remain highly porous because of this.

The most vulnerable points of entry between the US and Mexico for foot traffic already have walls and/or high fences. A more comprehensive border wall with Mexico will only redirect these undocumented immigrants and drug traffic to other paths of entry. Supply will always find demand.

But correct me if I'm wrong - don't most undocumented immigrants now cross the border legally and then overstay temporary visas?

There is a need for rational policy based on facts rather than public relations rhetoric to address this issue. Greater visa enforcement might be a better investment than a wall.

http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 12:47 pm
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We already have a system in place to vet immigrants, prior to trump.
I support legal immigration.

The laws were not being enforced prior fo Trump. Now they are and I along with the men and women that work for the border patrol are happy about it. I really believe that it wouldn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. This is personal and about hating and resisting Trump.

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 3:14 pm
(@alana33)
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Really glad "Mexico is going to pay for that wall!"

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 4:09 pm
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Do you like it as much as "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"?

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 5:13 pm
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Enforcement was down during the last year's of Obama but certainly laws were still enforced as necessary - particularly for criminals.

But still, even with Trump in charge ICE apprehension is still quite low. ICE needs more resources - not a wall.

I'm still not sure why those who want less government pick this issue - given that to truly be effective in limiting immigration requires significantly more government to monitor visas and strengthen ICE and CBP policing.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/17/deportations-under-president-trump-undocumented-immigrants/101786264/

http://www.npr.org/2016/08/31/491965912/5-things-to-know-about-obamas-enforcement-of-immigration-laws

We already have a system in place to vet immigrants, prior to trump.
I support legal immigration.

The laws were not being enforced prior fo Trump. Now they are and I along with the men and women that work for the border patrol are happy about it. I really believe that it wouldn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. This is personal and about hating and resisting Trump.

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 5:22 pm
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Really glad "Mexico is going to pay for that wall!"

Yes, when we withhold the 400 million in aid we send them every year.

Not to mention the cost savings from supporting illegal aliens or the money they send back to their home.

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 6:55 pm
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The $320 million in US aid to Mexico mostly supports law enforcement against the cartels. A wall will do little to deter these cartels given that boats and airplanes are available. Supply will find demand.

I don't understand "the cost savings from supporting illegal aliens" - what do you mean? Illegal aliens don't qualify for US social benefits.

Most undocumented immigrants from Mexico have been in the US for at least 10 years - and work hard at doing jobs US citizens won't. Any monies these hard working folks send back help make Mexico a better place to live and more viable for the next generation to live and work without having to resort to coming to the US.

Really glad "Mexico is going to pay for that wall!"

Yes, when we withhold the 400 million in aid we send them every year.

Not to mention the cost savings from supporting illegal aliens or the money they send back to their home.

 
Posted : August 2, 2017 7:32 pm
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hit the nail on the head. no matter what he does certain people will find fault with it.

We already have a system in place to vet immigrants, prior to trump.
I support legal immigration.

The laws were not being enforced prior fo Trump. Now they are and I along with the men and women that work for the border patrol are happy about it. I really believe that it wouldn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. This is personal and about hating and resisting Trump.

 
Posted : August 3, 2017 6:56 pm
(@alana33)
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Great news:
Special Counsel Impanels Grand Jury, and issues subpoenas in connection to trump Jr., Russia meeting!

Get ready for the next Twitter meltdowns by LIAR IN CHIEF.

 
Posted : August 3, 2017 7:32 pm
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hit the nail on the head. no matter what he does certain people will find fault with it.

We already have a system in place to vet immigrants, prior to trump.
I support legal immigration.

The laws were not being enforced prior fo Trump. Now they are and I along with the men and women that work for the border patrol are happy about it. I really believe that it wouldn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. This is personal and about hating and resisting Trump.

Just rewind a few years and replace "Trump" with "Obama". Same difference.

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 12:23 am
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Great news:
Special Counsel Impanels Grand Jury, and issues subpoenas in connection to trump Jr., Russia meeting!

Get ready for the next Twitter meltdowns by LIAR IN CHIEF.

such a non issue though, I doubt there will be any melt downs.

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 5:06 pm
(@ironheadUSVI)
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With all these fabricated stories about Russian collusion, I always wonder what the end game is? IF there was collusion, what does anyone gain? What is the motive? What is the benefit?

Which brings us to today. Look at the current interactions between Russia and the US.

Pure hostility right now. What is being gained? What is the advantage that this alleged collusion for either participant?

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 5:14 pm
(@islandjoan)
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It's all to distract everyone from what is really going on. The media, and a good portion of the US public (I guess) is paying attention to all this nonsense and the real stuff is not being covered and therefore is hidden from us all.

Kinda like how everyone focuses on the Super Bowl, and all the stupid action movies out there, and Real Housewives, etc. etc. The dumbing down of the masses.

And those behind the scenes (global elites, etc) are laughing at us all.

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 5:39 pm
(@alana33)
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Russian interference with our US presidential election, for one!
A man whose lack of ethics, integrity, honesty, honor, intelligence who would actually allow or be part of any collusion from any foreign governments over any candidates to win an election or to have any family members or subordinates partake in such must be investigated.

Just too many Russian contacts in this administration to ignore.
Especially when any president puts down their own Intelligence and praises a dictator like Putin, for one.

If Hillary Clinton had been on the receiving end of this type of investigation, y'all be singing a different tune. And she was with the "trumped" up republicans investigation of Bengazi.

So happy that Donald gets to play golf 21 out of 23 weekends, is presently heading out for a 17 day vacation, has his and all of his children's vacations paid by taxpayers while whining about how unfairly he's treated, spreading fake news, vitriol, insulting allies, praising dictators and constantly tweeting BS and calling the White House a dump, blaming republicans, democrats, President Obama, Hillary Clinton any every other person, except himself, for starters.

Newsweek Dubs Trump "Lazy Boy" on Latest Cover

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/newsweek-dubs-trump-lazy-boy-latest-cover-1026808

http://www.gq.com/story/trump-17-day-vacation

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 5:53 pm
(@ironheadUSVI)
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Russian interference with our US presidential election, for one!

Since it has been stated over and over that they did nothing to alter election results, how did they interfere? Did they have some way of mind controlling Hillary supporters and getting them to vote for Trump? That's all that I can think of since the media never says how they managed to sway the vote to trump.

How did the Russian interference directly affect the outcome of the vote?

And how does Trump being President help Russia?

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 6:26 pm
(@gators_mom)
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Russia is our enemy. Never has been a friend - never will be a friend. Where do you suppose its ICBMs point? The USSR and its agenda for global domination has only changed in name to Russia. Hostility is the correct response to Russia and its end game.

US sanctions against Russia are tied to the death of Sergei Magnitsky - a whistle blowing Russian attorney who was left to die in prison in Russia. Putin and Russia stopped US citizens from adopting Russian babies in response to these same sanctions. This is why "talking about Russian adoptions" makes Don Jr.'s meeting so suspicious.

Trump himself has done past real estate deals with some nasty folks from Russia. His guilt may be (and probably is) by association but I think that at this point we - the American public - need to know that for sure. If there's no collusion between Trump and/or his entourage and Russian enemies of the US - then let Mueller prove it one way or the other.

https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/hermitage-capital-lawyer-dies-in-russian-jail/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-rights-congress-magnitsky-idUSKBN13X2AH

With all these fabricated stories about Russian collusion, I always wonder what the end game is? IF there was collusion, what does anyone gain? What is the motive? What is the benefit?

Which brings us to today. Look at the current interactions between Russia and the US.

Pure hostility right now. What is being gained? What is the advantage that this alleged collusion for either participant?

 
Posted : August 4, 2017 6:38 pm
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