Miss America Pageant

She won didn't she?
I wonder how she would have faired in the Miss Black America Pageant? Could Miss Kansas enter this pageant and win?

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She won didn't she?
I wonder how she would have faired in the Miss Black America Pageant? Could Miss Kansas enter this pageant and win?

I did not know there was a Miss Black America Pageant. I wonder what a Miss Caucasian Pageant would stir up. I hate double standards.

Yes, there is a Miss Black America, a Miss Asian America and a Miss Hispanic America. But no Miss Caucasian America, that would be racist.

Yes, there is a Miss Black America, a Miss Asian America and a Miss Hispanic America. But no Miss Caucasian America, that would be racist.

Yup. Exactly what I mean.

Here is a partial list of pageants for many different type of women. There is one for Miss Wheelchair America and a Mrs. America.
Just do a simple Google search and you will find there are so many different pageants around America and the world.

http://dir.yahoo.com/arts/design_arts/fashion_and_beauty/beauty_pageants/

Here is a partial list of pageants for many different type of women. There is one for Miss Wheelchair America and a Mrs. America.
Just do a simple Google search and you will find there are so many different pageants around America and the world.

http://dir.yahoo.com/arts/design_arts/fashion_and_beauty/beauty_pageants/

and yet, no Mrs Caucasian............

after just seeing a fellow employee with a Trevon Martin button (omg..... really?) I wonder when this anti caucasian racism will be acknowledged; it's getting pretty strong lately (though perhaps it's just the area I'm in)

I, personally, see no reason for any of these types of pagents and couldn't care less if they have Ms. Green Martian one.

It's a simple case of "do as I say, not as I do". It's o.k. apparently for different ethnicities to hold their own pageants and exclude other races.
But god forbid there were ever to be a "cuacasian only" pageant. World War Friggin 3.

Roswell NM has a pageant for 'miss alien' every year on the anniversary of their landing... Green is beautiful!

The group with the most power wants a white pagnant? Lets just bring back jim crow laws. Whites still have a majority of the power, if it was equal you would have a valid point. Studys show the prejudice of the system towards other races and women. so why so angry that the underdog is trying to level the playing field?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/missamerica/index.html

KATHY PEISS: Well, there are many beauty pageants in the 1920's, and they range from pageants oriented towards African-American women, Miss Bronze America. Even the Ku Klux Klan has a beauty pageant for Miss 100 Percent America. So there's something about beauty as a symbol that is extremely important and many different groups are getting together and saying, we have the most beautiful woman who represents us. And Miss America is the national symbol of what is going on all over the country.

(Under Transcripts Link)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/missamerica/peopleevents/e_inclusion.html

The pageant's long history of excluding women of color dates from its beginnings. At some point in the 1930s, it was formalized in the notorious rule number seven of the Miss America rule book. Instituted under the directorship of Lenora Slaughter, rule number seven stated that "contestants must be of good health and of the white race." As late as 1940, all contestants were required to list, on their formal biological data sheet, how far back they could trace their ancestry. In the pageant's continual crusade for respectability, ancestral connections to the Revolutionary War or perhaps the Mayflower would have been seen as a plus.

The group with the most power wants a white pagnant? Lets just bring back jim crow laws. Whites still have a majority of the power, if it was equal you would have a valid point. Studys show the prejudice of the system towards other races and women. so why so angry that the underdog is trying to level the playing field?

Who's angry?

The group with the most power wants a white pagnant? Lets just bring back jim crow laws. Whites still have a majority of the power, if it was equal you would have a valid point. Studys show the prejudice of the system towards other races and women. so why so angry that the underdog is trying to level the playing field?

Who's angry?

You tell me?

The group with the most power wants a white pagnant? Lets just bring back jim crow laws. Whites still have a majority of the power, if it was equal you would have a valid point. Studys show the prejudice of the system towards other races and women. so why so angry that the underdog is trying to level the playing field?

Who's angry?

You tell me?

No. You tell me. The only one on this thread that sounds angry is you.

I figured your trolling. When I read "double standards", "god forbid..." and "yet no miss Caucasian"(few examples). I took this as unhappy people. Perhaps you took it as positive comments. Either way I assume they are angry, and you assume I am angry. So what was the point of your question? It provided zero substance.

I figured your trolling. When I read "double standards", "god forbid..." and "yet no miss Caucasian"(few examples). I took this as unhappy people. Perhaps you took it as positive comments. Either way I assume they are angry, and you assume I am angry. So what was the point of your question? It provided zero substance.

That was Tiberius genius. If you're going to point the finger, try pointing it in the right direction. Let me make a suggestion.*-)

so why so angry that the underdog is trying to level the playing field?

do you think reverse jim crow laws are the answer?

that's kind of like saying two wrongs make a right, you can't use the tools of oppression and segregation to stop oppression and segregation.

make sense?

I figured your trolling. When I read "double standards", "god forbid..." and "yet no miss Caucasian"(few examples). I took this as unhappy people. Perhaps you took it as positive comments. Either way I assume they are angry, and you assume I am angry. So what was the point of your question? It provided zero substance.

That was Tiberius genius. If you're going to point the finger, try pointing it in the right direction. Let me make a suggestion.*-)

Your still trolling. I quoted 2 users and said a" few examples". My comment was directed at more than just one person. You again provided no substance. perhaps your third post you can contribute .please attempt to stay on topic. Liiquid fluoride responded back with a valid argument which is appreciated.

so why so angry that the underdog is trying to level the playing field?

do you think reverse jim crow laws are the answer?

that's kind of like saying two wrongs make a right, you can't use the tools of oppression and segregation to stop oppression and segregation.

make sense?

This is interesting and makes sense on the surface. I think it is very hard to grasp the position of a minority. We just had a guest speaking at uvi talk about a psycholigical study with inner city students and iq test. When they told the children it was an iq test they scored much lower. I am not sure if you have seen the youtube videos with with the black little girls and if they would rather play with the white baby doll or black one. Their responses were so depressing. majority always prefer the white doll. Children are taught at a young age who is the top of society and who is at the bottom.

Now lets try to talk about what you said about reverse jim crow laws. The objective here is to equal the playing field. Let me use affirmitive action as my example. We can make the argument that subject 1 is white qualifies for the job, and subject 2 is black also qualifies for the job but scored 2 points less. Subject 2 is given the job because of affirmitive action. On the surface subject 1 was more qualified so completely unfair. Recent study I read showed that more likely to get hired if on your application you have a name such as molly instead of jazmin. So have a white sounding name your odds are much better to get a job.

So on the surface it looks completely unfair, however the minority is still the one getting screwed over more often. The goal here is to even the playing field however the three studies I mentioned show how complex this problem is.

On my tablet would like to have included some links.

So on the surface it looks completely unfair, however the minority is still the one getting screwed over more often. The goal here is to even the playing field however the three studies I mentioned show how complex this problem is.

On my tablet would like to have included some links.

I think all these types of laws do is force us to focus on differences; I personally feel that affirmative action is just there to force focus on difference.

we need a new approach to this issue, but here's the problem, we are hard wired to not trust extreme differences; it goes back to the tribal life style as a protective instinct.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139735/Babies-develop-racist-traits-aged-months-coming-contact-races.html

it's easily overcome however.

now does forcing the issue (via affirmative action or any other law) help? I don't thinkso I think it only helps to divide.

Attractive people get hired more often then unattractive, same with fat vrs in shape.. we have these built in preferences (which CAN be altered, definitely) but you can't blame them on hate, or "racism" it's really just "humanism" it's how we are.

there should be a basic discrimination law with absolutely no exceptions or special groups; that's about as far as I'd be willing to concede for the use of force (all laws are force).

these are just my current thoughts on the topic, but in the end the best I can do is say it's a complex situation and one that we haven't even come close to solving with current efforts; we just need to try something else.

Liquid, I agree with some of what you said. Your link showed we are hard wired to want to be with others similar to us. Which makes sense why affirmitve action is important. Why studies keep showing white males tend to hire white males. Which creates an endless cycle.. which is great unless your a female or other race. We need that force/laws to even the playing field. Lets be honest its good to be a white attractive male, and its not in our nature to want to give up power. However it is the right thing to do. I would still call it individual prejudice, and society as a collective needs to make it as equal as possible.

Complete agreement we need to try new things and a very complex situation.

I figured your trolling. When I read "double standards", "god forbid..." and "yet no miss Caucasian"(few examples). I took this as unhappy people. Perhaps you took it as positive comments. Either way I assume they are angry, and you assume I am angry. So what was the point of your question? It provided zero substance.

That was Tiberius genius. If you're going to point the finger, try pointing it in the right direction. Let me make a suggestion.*-)

Your still trolling. I quoted 2 users and said a" few examples". My comment was directed at more than just one person. You again provided no substance. perhaps your third post you can contribute .please attempt to stay on topic. Liiquid fluoride responded back with a valid argument which is appreciated.

You're the troll. All I asked is "who's angry"? You started with the accusations. Not me. If you're not sure you'll like what's on the other side of the door. Don't open it!
P.S. It's You're not your.

Liquid, I agree with some of what you said. Your link showed we are hard wired to want to be with others similar to us. Which makes sense why affirmitve action is important. Why studies keep showing white males tend to hire white males. Which creates an endless cycle.. which is great unless your a female or other race. We need that force/laws to even the playing field. Lets be honest its good to be a white attractive male, and its not in our nature to want to give up power. However it is the right thing to do. I would still call it individual prejudice, and society as a collective needs to make it as equal as possible.

Complete agreement we need to try new things and a very complex situation.

ikory, I assume that you can understand also the viewpoint of a white male who was the best applicant in terms of qualifications for a university or a job. He might feel that he was not responsible for the wrongs of the past, he might be poor, underprivileged and had worked hard to get a good GPA in school. Yet when it came time to enter college he was passed over so that a less qualified minority applicant could get the spot. I have seen this kind of thing permanently change someone's attitude. They feel that society is against them, what is the point of working hard when you did nothing wrong yet your own government discriminates against you. And it's not done on the basis of need or privilege, it is totally race based discrimination. An affluent minority candidate has priority over an underprivileged white candidate.

If we need to fix racial disparities in all areas then when are we going to fix the fact that 75% of all NBA players are black when they only account for 12% of the population? This is the argument used when it is pointed out that white males are disproportionately represented as corporate executives. Do you think that white males do not want to be basketball players? They earn a lot of money. Should all perceived inequities be addressed by our government? Or only the ones affecting minorities.

I have been racially discriminated against many times since I moved to the USVI, do I have a right to complain or should I expect it since I am white and have historically had an advantage? Is racial discrimination right or wrong; or is it only wrong when it is white on black discrimination?

I do not have the answers but this conversation has been going on for a long time. Can it ever be solved. How can you solve a problem when you have no firm definition of what the solution is? How do we know when the problem is fixed? When everyone is satisfied or only when minorities are satisfied?

I tend to agree with Liquid in the sense that we need to have strictly enforced laws prohibiting discrimination, I am just not sure that government can fix personal attitudes through quotas.

I think much of the problem is education and family structure. Blacks have far larger percentage of single parent families than whites and they tend to do worse in school than whites. Asians have a lower percentage of single parent families than whites and they do better than whites in school. Maybe parental support is something that needs to be fixed. How do you propose that white people fix the problem of black children born out of wedlock and raised by one parent?
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/867,133,38,35,18/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431

BTW, I appreciate the dialogue. Check out at 24:30 in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9AmuYqjRyg