What's wrong with Pineapple Village?

That's just how it is. Don't shoot the messenger.
As I said, if it's in place and included, the rental amount shall reflect that.
If the tenant doesn't wish to continue with a security service, that is their choice.
A landlord is not "obligated" to provide this service at his/her expense.
It is an option, just as paying for your own utilities and/or any additional services a tenant may wish to secure for their benefit.

How common is it with landlords that security systems are an optional service in which the teneant has to pay?

In term leases the norm rather than the exception.

That's just how it is. Don't shoot the messenger.
As I said, if it's in place and included, the rental amount shall reflect that.
If the tenant doesn't wish to continue with a security service, that is their choice.
A landlord is not "obligated" to provide this service at his/her expense.
It is an option, just as paying for your own utilities and/or any additional services a tenant may wish to secure for their benefit.

I'm not shooting the messenger.
I just don't understand why a landlord would go to all that trouble setting up a security system and making it optional. That would turn me off from a rental.
Like I said if you have a beautiful rental (usually that means it has a high rent) and make it an option for the tenant, in my opinion, it just makes the landlord look petty.

I see the tenant paying for security monitoring more often then the landlord paying it as well.

It's an optional service - and if you're like me, personally I don't believe in security systems, I've had them enough and lived enough places and neighborhoods to see where they don't really deter crime all that much. False alarms are more common. So I would rather have cheaper rent and not have the cost of security monitoring "baked in" to my rent price.

Now a security patrol, or a gate guard (an effective one) that I would pay for - if I chose to live in that type of property.

It's a landlord's choice, and it's a mixed bag on the value of adding it in to the rent as a service, or allowing tenants to choose for themselves (like a la carte pricing).

I am sure that if you are renting an high priced "excutive" rental which cost more than a few thousand dollars a month, they may include it, if it's already in place. Then again, maybe not.

As stated a landlord is not obligated to provide such a service nor have one installed unless a tenant wishes to pay for it and they come to a written agreement to be included in a lease.

It's pretty common that it is an optional service just as any other additonal service a tenant may wish to have in place.The landlord may consider that a tenant not wishing to pay for his/her own security, may not be a great, long term tenant if they wish to haggle over such details and may prove to be long term pain to deal with instead of an asset.

Don't shoot them messenger! It is what it is.

One thing I'm curious about, because I've wondered about this for a while now - how quickly do the police respond to a call from security alarm company? In other words, when an alarm goes off, have any of you ever heard about the police getting there in time to actually catch a burglary in progress?

I'm curious, because everywhere I've lived stateside, alarm systems were never responded to quickly - some in my (very nice) neighborhood, the police would arrive an hour later, if at all - because of all the false alarms.

I also have known people with alarms who have been robbed anyway - the thief breaks a window, runs in to the house and grabs a laptop or other valuable item, and is gone in minutes. The noise of the alarm didn't deter them, because they were gone before anyone can do anything.

Is it different here in the VI though? Do the police or security companies respond quickly? Does anyone have an example of an incident they can share with me where the security system made the difference? I've obviously decided against them, but I'm wondering if I should change my mind.

If I should start a new thread to discuss security systems please let me know. 🙂

One thing I'm curious about, because I've wondered about this for a while now - how quickly do the police respond to a call from security alarm company? In other words, when an alarm goes off, have any of you ever heard about the police getting there in time to actually catch a burglary in progress?

I've dealt with a security system at two locations, both businesses and not residences, so can only speak to that. It never failed in both instances that on many occasions I' was rudely awoken from a deep sleep by the security company to be told that the alarm had gone off and I should go to the location where the police would be waiting for me. Between the two places I was probably called a dozen times, dragged myself out of bed, got dressed and blearily drove over to the place. Half the time no police were there waiting (and never in fact came) and not once was there actually anything going on at all. Something fell off a shelf, maybe a rat set off the alarm - who knows?

When I purchased my home I currently live in, it had a security system with ADT (I think) which I opted not to use as I had 4 dogs and had fenced an area surrounding the side of the property so they would never be off the property. Plus, it really was a pain and since I had so many animals, the lady from the company said that they would be setting it off and I would have to pay more for the service. No thanks!
However, tho I did not renew the contract, appearently, it was still active some months later and I accidently set it off. The next thing I knew,
2 police officers were knocking on my door. The company didn't call me to see if I set it off, the officers just appeared. That was my only experience with a security system. 1st and hopefully, last.

One thing I'm curious about, because I've wondered about this for a while now - how quickly do the police respond to a call from security alarm company? In other words, when an alarm goes off, have any of you ever heard about the police getting there in time to actually catch a burglary in progress?

I've dealt with a security system at two locations, both businesses and not residences, so can only speak to that. It never failed in both instances that on many occasions I' was rudely awoken from a deep sleep by the security company to be told that the alarm had gone off and I should go to the location where the police would be waiting for me. Between the two places I was probably called a dozen times, dragged myself out of bed, got dressed and blearily drove over to the place. Half the time no police were there waiting (and never in fact came) and not once was there actually anything going on at all. Something fell off a shelf, maybe a rat set off the alarm - who knows?

This was my experience - the alarm would go off when something fell over in the house (or something). Also, my place of business in Texas, the alarm would go off all the time in the server room...finally we figured out a piece of string blowing in the A/C vent set off the motion sensor! In both places the police took at least an hour to come, or they would just do a "drive by" and if they saw nothing out of sorts (like a thief running away?) they wouldn't even stop.

When I purchased my home I currently live in, it had a security system with ADT (I think) which I opted not to use as I had 4 dogs and had fenced an area surrounding the side of the property so they would never be off the property. Plus, it really was a pain and since I had so many animals, the lady from the company said that they would be setting it off and I would have to pay more for the service. No thanks!
However, tho I did not renew the contract, appearently, it was still active some months later and I accidently set it off. The next thing I knew,
2 police officers were knocking on my door. The company didn't call me to see if I set it off, the officers just appeared. That was my only experience with a security system. 1st and hopefully, last.

I'm glad to hear they came to check it out! 🙂

I have had police respond to alarms, but not once was it timely enough to stop a crime in progress. I think I'd rather spend my money on security up front (big dog(s), security patrol, gate guards, what have you) then a monitoring system that only is useful after the fact.

They do have webcam type security systems that take video of intruders so that would be the way to go if one desired a monitoring system.
At least, you'd have a picture of the culprit(s) if the police arrived too late. It's a mixed bag, for sure. If I were interested in having one I would also ask the company what the response time normally is as well as the number of responses that actually result in the thief being caught in the act.

I don't want a picture of the inturder. I don't want an intruder..period. if I were renting, I wouldn't want to pay for "Installing" a "securty system. I wouldn't want to live in a condo or aptarment with two or three big dogs.

Back to tohe orginal question. Some neighborhoods are safer than others. Do your homework. Check out the nieghbors--in this case of Pineapple the abadoned hotel is worthy of a homework assignment. Some rediences are safer tahn others. Venta's v. sliders, elevated balconies, motion lights. off street parking.

FYI - Pineapple Village has a manned entrance gate and has onsite 24/7 security.
According to the daily news article on Sept. 12, the permits have been granted to the hotel owners so it being an abandoned hotel won't be an issue (if it ever was), any longer.

and construction is planned to begin when? When will the sub-aquatic construction on the boat dock commence?. What about construction of water front beach facitiles? What about the water treatment RO --when will they be starting that plant?

Some renters may not mind living next to a vacant run down resort. some renters maynot mind living next to a full scale commecrial resort commerical construction project which encompasses the beach and parts of the bay.

To answer the original question.... enough.

And that is a personal choice, blu. Some people quite like it. You aren't being forced to live there if you choose not to so give the constant negativity a rest.

"To answer the original question" 🙂
It was not on my Husband's short list and that decision had nothing to do with the property next door.

The hotel adjacent to Pineapple village had been closed for 11 years. In 2015, it looked like Wyndham Vacation Resorts International purchased the property for a song and has recently completed a $100 Million dollar renovation of the property as the first Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville.

Although PV is NOT affiliated with Wyndham, they share the same entrance and beach front. The entrance has been repaved, replanted, beautiful new lighting installed, a new Carolina rock security hut, beautiful waterfall, etc. In other words, you wouldn't recognize the place.

My wife and I woke up every morning to watch the sun rise on the beach. It is a paradise now compared to what it looked like between 2004 and 2015. Back then, PV looked well-kept and beautiful, but it was hard to look past the razor wire and P.O.W. appearance of the hotel property entrance.

If you are looking to buy (instead of renting), I understand that PV OWNERS have access to all the Margaritaville amenities (pool, weight room, poolside bar, restaurant, gym, market, office suites, etc.).

If my wife and I were looking to buy in STT, given the beauty, security, amenities and proximity to 3 gorgeous beaches, I actually think PV might move closer to the TOP of my list.

We were back there on vacation for a couple weeks in July 2016 with our boys and their girlfriends/wife...we honestly can't wait to go again in March.