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Its only a matter of time before pot prohibition is over. Its pretty much decriminalized as it now as far as I can see.

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 12:10 pm
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And soon pot brands will be owned by coca-cola et al!

I think it would help tourism, and there would be a headache factor, but no more or less than visitors who over-indulge in alcohol...just different. But one consideration, is as more places in the states legalize/decriminalize pot, it won't be such a unique experience to come to the VI just to openly smoke/consume it. We'll just have to fall back on our beautiful blue water and white sand beaches...

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 12:25 pm
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Right now we arrest and confiscate,
A cost for our government

Tax and regulate creates an income stream.

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 12:27 pm
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Right now we arrest and confiscate,
A cost for our government

Tax and regulate creates an income stream.

Yep, kind of what happened during prohibition, the government realized how much money it was spending as well as losing in taxes. Something is going to have to pay for Obamacare. hahahahahahahaha

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 12:46 pm
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In Uruguay, the president of the country started a national debate on the legal or not.

after one year he called for a national vote.

http://rt.com/news/uruguay-legalizes-marijuana-dollar-530/

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 1:26 pm
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THE COUNTRY CANT EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, HOW IS IT SUPPOSED TO LEGALIZE AND TAX POT

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 3:32 pm
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I think it would help tourism, and there would be a headache factor, but no more or less than visitors who over-indulge in alcohol...just different. But one consideration, is as more places in the states legalize/decriminalize pot, it won't be such a unique experience to come to the VI just to openly smoke/consume it. We'll just have to fall back on our beautiful blue water and white sand beaches...

what would the headache be? too many people taking naps or eating up all the junk food? more relaxed people? REALLY slow orders in the drive through lines?

I think the bonus would be that the VI could draw in a different crowd of people who will hopefully be enamored with their vacation and plan on return trips plus "spread the word".

this would be such a good move all around it's almost ridiculous, the plants "other parts" make an excellent bio fuel as well (one of the best)... WAPA could use a cheap fuel source..

THE COUNTRY CANT EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, HOW IS IT SUPPOSED TO LEGALIZE AND TAX POT

via the exact same methods that it taxes the most popular drug in the US... Alcohol, in fact; I'd say this is a "no brainer" decision.

It's not a matter of IF this prohibition ends, but WHEN; the earlier adopters will benefit most from this (and the sooner the better).

the VI has a 365 growing season, and from looking for my horses when they got loose I can tell the growing season is already being taken advantage of in quite a few place ( I saw lots of plants....) this would be a huge boon to the economy, you'd think the current elected officials would move quickly on this, it seems greed is the name of the game on many fronts.

Denver that same year collected more than $3.4 million in taxes and license fees while the entire state of Colorado collected $5 million, and with recreational use revenues beginning Jan. 1, those numbers are very likely going to climb.

The state of Oregon was able to close a nearly $7 million budget shortfall through medical marijuana taxes, Naughton said.

“Switzerland and Portugal have shown that they have saved money by not waging the war on drugs. They have figures to show that they saved money in law enforcement and in the courts because cops aren’t going out and locking up these people and charging them,” Naughton said. “They have shown that they can save money across the board by decriminalizing drugs.”

http://stjohnsource.com/content/news/local-news/2013/10/25/advocates-town-hall-meeting-prefer-pot-legalization-over-decrimin
those numbers are pretty damn attractive..

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 3:47 pm
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I think it would help tourism, and there would be a headache factor, but no more or less than visitors who over-indulge in alcohol...just different. But one consideration, is as more places in the states legalize/decriminalize pot, it won't be such a unique experience to come to the VI just to openly smoke/consume it. We'll just have to fall back on our beautiful blue water and white sand beaches...

what would the headache be? too many people taking naps or eating up all the junk food? more relaxed people? REALLY slow orders in the drive through lines?

I think the bonus would be that the VI could draw in a different crowd of people who will hopefully be enamored with their vacation and plan on return trips plus "spread the word".

Look to the example of Amsterdam and draw your own conclusions. One issue is the underground usage of other illegal drugs that are "harder" than pot. And while I don't smoke, I wouldn't say in my experience my friends who do all fit your stereotype of "taking naps and eating junk food." Many experience extreme paranoia and do some pretty crazy things while high. But people do crazy things drunk too.

Again, I don't care, tourists will be tourists, and there are always good apples and bad apples.

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 4:16 pm
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Look to the example of Amsterdam and draw your own conclusions. One issue is the underground usage of other illegal drugs that are "harder" than pot. And while I don't smoke, I wouldn't say in my experience my friends who do all fit your stereotype of "taking naps and eating junk food." Many experience extreme paranoia and do some pretty crazy things while high. But people do crazy things drunk too.

Again, I don't care, tourists will be tourists, and there are always good apples and bad apples.

I've been to Amsterdam and know people who've lived in Portugal; drug use actually goes down when they aren't illegal and people with issues (the substance is never the issue, the person using it is; society if anything, is more to blame for substance abuse).

I slightly disagree that the two drugs are comparable ( THC vr Alcohol) I've never seen violence from THC consumption like I do from alcohol not to mention how dangerous alcohol can be, it actually kills people quite often and is quite damaging when consumed over time, THC doesn't suffer from these pitfalls.

I don't use it either, did a few times in highschool but I still think it's wrong that tax payers have to pay for cannabis users to be in jail, for the law enforcement efforts that have clearly dismally failed and that all the potential funds from taxation are not being realized.

plus the plant has many many benefits, it really is an amazing plant.

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 4:38 pm
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I'm not arguing with you. 😉

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 4:47 pm
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I'm not arguing with you. 😉

me either, just expanding on the thought; I recognize this is a public forum and soap boxed a little there, sorry if it felt directed specifically at you 😉

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 6:15 pm
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I'm not arguing with you. 😉

me either, just expanding on the thought; I recognize this is a public forum and soap boxed a little there, sorry if it felt directed specifically at you 😉

I agree, if we had all the money back that this country has spent trying to stop the use of cannabis, we could have solved the national debt crisis long ago and actually be in the black instead of the red.

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 7:07 pm
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I'm not arguing with you. 😉

me either, just expanding on the thought; I recognize this is a public forum and soap boxed a little there, sorry if it felt directed specifically at you 😉

I agree, if we had all the money back that this country has spent trying to stop the use of cannabis, we could have solved the national debt crisis long ago and actually be in the black instead of the red.

The "War on Drugs" has been a massive money drain on the US for decades now. It is the number one reason I do not support outlawing of guns - the "War on Guns" will be just as bad. Social issues require a social repair, not legislation - use that to make money, not flush it away... 😀

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 7:51 pm
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Social issues require a social repair, not legislation - use that to make money, not flush it away... 😀

excellent summation... I'd say the best example of how badly the war on drugs has failed is that there is a drug problem INSIDE prisons.. the one place that should be completely drug free (if that were possible, which it apparently isn't)

One In Eight Prisoners 'Develop Drug Problem In Jail'
One in eight prisoners developed a drug problem after being locked up in jail, inspectors said on Tuesday.

A poll of a quarter of all inmates at Durham Prison last year found 13% had developed a problem with drugs since being held in the category B local prison.

The critical inspection also found that up to a third (33.3%) of prisoners were failing random drugs tests, more than a third (36%) thought it was easy to get hold of drugs and almost one in five (18%) thought they would still have a problem after being released.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/16/prison-inmates-drug-problem-nick-hardwick_n_1428750.html

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 7:59 pm
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sorry for the caps, i always forget when i am at work

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 9:25 pm
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The decrim bill was tabled. No guts no glory. 20 states have decrim but the vi senators try to be righteous to keep the feed bag full. Positive for governer 2014.

 
Posted : October 25, 2013 11:32 pm
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The decrim bill was tabled. No guts no glory. 20 states have decrim but the vi senators try to be righteous to keep the feed bag full. Positive for governer 2014.

what do you mean by tabled?

 
Posted : October 26, 2013 12:15 am
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As far as the money made from taxing it, I would assume anybody who brings that point up hasn't grown it. Its a weed. Throw the seeds out the window, it'll grow. It would become practically free and I would assume so many people would grow outside, it would make growing quality outdoor would become impossible.

The benefit would be the 1.2 million dollars spent in the vi on ruining peoples lives with criminal records and jail time, could be misappropriated in some other colorful way.

 
Posted : October 26, 2013 12:20 am
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As far as the money made from taxing it, I would assume anybody who brings that point up hasn't grown it. Its a weed. Throw the seeds out the window, it'll grow. It would become practically free and I would assume so many people would grow outside, it would make growing quality outdoor would become impossible.

The benefit would be the 1.2 million dollars spent in the vi on ruining peoples lives with criminal records and jail time, could be misappropriated in some other colorful way.

Tobacco is just as easy to grow, yet people still buy cigarettes.... there would be a commercial market, there would be vast income from it, how do we know this? it's happening in colorado and washington state RIGHT NOW.

but your right, the cost savings alone would be worth it. maybe they could misappropriate it into the wapa generator retool...

 
Posted : October 26, 2013 6:03 pm
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If the USVI decides to make marijuana legal, do you think the growers are just going to drop any seed in the ground to grow so they can just get high or are they going to grow quality marijuana for people that need it for their ailments?

Marijuana Medicinal Compounds

http://www.sunsetsupershop.com/medical-marijuana-strains-west-hollywood-beverly-hills-daily-inventory

 
Posted : October 27, 2013 6:19 pm
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l not against making pot legal. BUT the issue is control. How do you stop the doctor who is operating on you brain from being high? Or the pilot, or the guy on the guy driving that semi coming at you?

Lets see how other states do.

billd

 
Posted : October 27, 2013 8:15 pm
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l not against making pot legal. BUT the issue is control. How do you stop the doctor who is operating on you brain from being high? Or the pilot, or the guy on the guy driving that semi coming at you?

Lets see how other states do.

billd

How do we stop them from being drunk? Or for that matter, how do we stop them from being high now, albeit illegally?

 
Posted : October 27, 2013 8:17 pm
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It was held in committee...he's going to make some amendments and try again, but it's not dead...just like corporal punishment...it'll be back.

In the mean time a citizens initiative is ongoing

 
Posted : October 27, 2013 10:18 pm
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If the USVI decides to make marijuana legal, do you think the growers are just going to drop any seed in the ground to grow so they can just get high or are they going to grow quality marijuana for people that need it for their ailments?

I have a friend (a local of STT) that grew for 20 years in large amounts up until about five years ago because of the intense scrutiny the VI had/has with helicopters, etc.

I've spend a month in Amsterdam and even tried the 30x ice-o-lator hash. My friends marijuana was hands down better than anything I had there. He was very proud of his years of breeding the best of the best...

 
Posted : October 28, 2013 3:06 am
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