St Croix safety concerns

I recommend finding and reading a copy of the book : But Say It Politely by Elizabeth Hawes written in the early 1950's on St Croix - it is an insightful look at societal issues and will give the reader a good historical perspective.

Published by Little Brown and Company Boston 1951

How would you like it if the National Guard was authorized to search every single building on St. Croix, and look behind every tree and bush, for firearms? That would definitely make a huge dent, right? Can you see that happening? Not in my lifetime.

It would be far better if they just relaxed the gun laws and allowed NON-criminals easier access to fire arms.. the only ones with guns now are the criminals and a few people who are willing to jump through the massive amounts of hoops and red tape that is put up by the local government.

Prohibition doesn't work, on any topic, ever.

I actually found an old clip from that band that was playing that night. Smart phones were very new then so it's a little grainy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClLWcQ6W6NU

Oh dear.

smh....I know exactly where this thread is gonna go. Waits for it.....

We ate at 2+2 before. Served by a nice lady and got stared at. By all. Hubby went into a bar at time square on we ith an ex business partner. They got served and stared at but otherwise all was well

May I add one positive thing (out of many) that we recently experienced here.

Hubby and I live out west (and lovin' it). I lost my phone a couple of months ago, pretty sure somebody stole it. We were driving one day in LaGrange area where a Crucian on a bicycle saw us, and stopped us. He then basically said he recognized our car and our faces because somebody (presumably who had stolen the phone) sold him my cell. After looking through his phone, he was convinced the guy stole it because of all the pictures of us and the car. (why on earth did the guy sell the stolen cell and not delete the pictures I have no idea). So he then told us that where he lives and that he would get the phone to return it to me.
Just like that.

While everybody always talks about the crime, racism, drugs, gangs and other negative things - I just wanted to bring up one reason why I love it here.

I had a flat tire in Time Square at 11:30 at night. Admittedly I was a little nervous when a young man approached my car, but he offered to change my tire...for free. Also had three young men in baggies at Auto Zone in 5 Corners fill my car with the four quarts I had just bought and refuse money. Admittedly I am now a "Mama" and therefore due some respect-- but I have never been robbed, assaulted, dissed or even chupped in 25 years on STX.

no one has ever claimed nothing ever good happens here but the op specifically asked about crime. good and even great things happen here every day. no one is disputing that. not often enough do they get posted here either.
but you also have to admit that crime does happen here even in the safety of your own home. you can mitigate the chances of it happening by taking normal precautions like you would in the states.

How would you like it if the National Guard was authorized to search every single building on St. Croix, and look behind every tree and bush, for firearms? That would definitely make a huge dent, right? Can you see that happening? Not in my lifetime.

It would be far better if they just relaxed the gun laws and allowed NON-criminals easier access to fire arms.. the only ones with guns now are the criminals and a few people who are willing to jump through the massive amounts of hoops and red tape that is put up by the local government.

Prohibition doesn't work, on any topic, ever.

That may be true, butt here are numerous tragedies caused by legal firearms in the home...like the dad who shot his daughter dead after she jumped out of a closet to surprise him.

Things will go "bump" in the night, and dad will grab his legally-obtained AK-47 and blast away, accidentally killing his toddlers who just got out of bed to go grab something from the fridge...it has happened.

There is no silver bullet here, no pun intended. Crime is an inevitable result of the system in which we live, and nobody is going to make any meaningful efforts to change the system. The change will come from Mother Nature, when she either creates a catastrophic event that eradicates most of the "human" race or the "human" race creates the catastrophe on its own, such as the coming thermonuclear war whose seeds are already being sown in the Ukraine, Syria, and Iran (the West wants a "democratic" puppet government in place in these countries, which will allow the West to put in place missile "defense" systems with an ultimate goal of encircling Russia and China and creating a viable "first-strike" capability...Russia and China know this, and both of those countries are nuclear-armed).

Don't worry. ..it is only a matter of time before "humans" are back to just chucking stones and spears at each other. History repeats itself in ways we can only imagine.

Interesting. History books have been written to brain wash us and make us think humans were always violent. Not so. Even our closest related primates are fun loving and generous. But we think humans are evil. Or at least some of us do. The generousity gene has been proven. When we lived in small villages, we looked out for each other. When we had an abundance of food, we shared with neighboring tribes. We had celebrations and fun and freedom. It was not spear chucking and rock throwing. That came with the advent of agriculture, and having to own land and laborers. When we live in small communities, where we know everyone, we feel a responsibility to our fellow man. When we live in unnaturally large populations, and feel removed from our neighbors, that's when violence and ownership comes into play.

Interesting. History books have been written to brain wash us and make us think humans were always violent. Not so. Even our closest related primates are fun loving and generous. But we think humans are evil. Or at least some of us do. The generousity gene has been proven. When we lived in small villages, we looked out for each other. When we had an abundance of food, we shared with neighboring tribes. We had celebrations and fun and freedom. It was not spear chucking and rock throwing. That came with the advent of agriculture, and having to own land and laborers. When we live in small communities, where we know everyone, we feel a responsibility to our fellow man. When we live in unnaturally large populations, and feel removed from our neighbors, that's when violence and ownership comes into play.

Thumbs up. A basic survey of anthropology supports all your premises.

On the topic of guns - it is a proven fact that if you own a gun, you are more likely to die from a gun-related death - I'm simply stating a fact, not trying to stir the pot. I am not anti-gun or pro-gun control - I'm not taking a stance - but I believe that for anyone when considering buying a gun for "protection," it should be a measured decision about the likelihood of that gun being useful for "protection" at some point in the future vs. the possibility of dying yourself- or one of your family members - from a gun shot wound.

I've found that most people work with you if they work with them, and taking a violent protectionary stance only leads to violence. It is a personal decision, of course, and I respect that.

Buying a gun for sportsmanship and fun is separate from the "protection" instinct - and I think some people buy guns "for fun" and couch it as "protection." If you're going to buy a gun for fun that's a separate decision. But the statistics prove you are still more likely to die from a gun-related wound.

It is a proven fact that if you own a swimming pool you are more likely to drown in it than if you didn't own one.
If you own a car you are more likely to die in a car accident than if you didn't own one.

Which is more likely? Dying from a gunshot wound, a swimming pool drowning or a car accident?

http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htm
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

Maybe hospitals are more dangerous?

http://www.leanblog.org/2009/08/statistics-on-healthcare-quality-and/

It is a proven fact that if you own a swimming pool you are more likely to drown in it than if you didn't own one.
If you own a car you are more likely to die in a car accident than if you didn't own one.

Which is more likely? Dying from a gunshot wound, a swimming pool drowning or a car accident?

http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htm
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

Maybe hospitals are more dangerous?

http://www.leanblog.org/2009/08/statistics-on-healthcare-quality-and/

Correct. It is also a personal decision to own a swimming pool (especially with children), or drive a car. Some people avoid hospitals too. These are not inflammatory facts, just personal decisions. I don't begrudge anyone their choices, I just hope they make them as informed decisions.

Interesting. History books have been written to brain wash us and make us think humans were always violent. Not so. Even our closest related primates are fun loving and generous. But we think humans are evil. Or at least some of us do. The generousity gene has been proven. When we lived in small villages, we looked out for each other. When we had an abundance of food, we shared with neighboring tribes. We had celebrations and fun and freedom. It was not spear chucking and rock throwing. That came with the advent of agriculture, and having to own land and laborers. When we live in small communities, where we know everyone, we feel a responsibility to our fellow man. When we live in unnaturally large populations, and feel removed from our neighbors, that's when violence and ownership comes into play.

Totally correct...and Mother Nature, or other circumstances, will eventually correct the unnatural circumstances under which humans are currently being forced to live, and return the species to its natural behaviors. Then someone will come along with another bright idea on how to own everything, and the cycle will repeat itself.

I've driven by the 2+2 club many times. I have "threatened " my wife that I would take her there. I guess that we don't have to go now.

bassman, you can dine there just dont go to the club.

when i told co workers i went to the restaurant part i got many choruses of "you went there"

I've driven by the 2+2 club many times. I have "threatened " my wife that I would take her there. I guess that we don't have to go now.

Ah, but you made the same "threat" many years ago at another establishment, finally followed through ... and the rest was history!!!!!!

But that one looked rougher than 2+2. HAHAHA

But that one looked rougher than 2+2. HAHAHA

The scary "biker bar"! I still get a chuckle out of that tale!