racism on the islands

Likewise, I will not engage with someone who cites to white supremacist websites to support their positions. It's an issue of motive. Websites like AmRen don't attract the most honorable people.

I can't stand Farrakhan, or the bozos in the legislature who invited him. The difference, though, is that I wouldn't cite to his essays to make even the most uncontroversial point (for example, that racism exists in the world). Farrakhan's motives are impractical and unpure. My issue was with Rotorhead's fondness for AmRen, a notorious white supremacist site.

My fondness for AmRen???

I have never been to AmRen before this discussion and had never heard the name Jared Taylor before. I used AmRen as well as several other sites because when I Googled "violent crime by race" it came up. The article on AmRen was the same and came to the same conclusions as all of the other sources, all based on the DOJ report.

I don't have your progressive insite as to which sites are credible and which should be rejected because they fail to pass the liberal acceptance filter.

I assume that you accept the Bureau of Justice Statistics as a credible source. Same conclusions as AmRen.

so if a white person who lives in the states is called cracker or redneck by a black, thats not racist because the white population is dominate ?

not sure if thats your point or not

and if the info this site you seem to detest gets its info from a site you agree with, isnt it still the same info?

Obviously Monogram doesn't consider redneck to be derogatory, otherwise this supremely PC person would not have used it in the above discussion.

This whole dominance thing gets turned on it's head down here in the islands. Monogram made the statement above that whites are in power here in the islands based on their ownership of most businesses. Isn't our government almost entirely black run? Hasn't our government chosen to reject districting in favor of at large elections in order to retain power? In the states, at large elections have been rejected as illegal because they deny the rights of a minority to representation. Exactly what the local government wants. Which has more power? Government or privately owned businesses?

You have the choice of which businesses you patronize, you could elect to only patronize black owned businesses if you choose. Government on the other hand is mandatory. We are all forced to patronize the government whether we like it or not. So where does the power really lie in the USVI?

great points rotor

My Southern friends would laugh at the idea of Redneck being offensive. LOL. Several refer to themselves as "Florida Crackers!" Are you a yankee or something, Rotor? I thought you were a son of the confederacy?

"The term 'Florida Cracker' is used informally by some Floridians to indicate that their families have lived in the state for many generations. It is considered a source of pride."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker

Same with "Georgia Crackers":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_cracker

Funny how arch-conservatives who abhor when minorities in the states play the race card come down here and chuck that card faster than a poker dealer. Nobody hates white people here, except for maybe Bert Bryan, the failed and thrice-rejected Senator.

Many of my black friends use the term "nigga". Frequently. Does that make it an acceptable term for general use?

I am from the south, and proud of it.

However, when one is directed to a site that is already claiming the San Bernardino terrorist attack is a socialist false flag, claimed earlier that the Charleston shooting was a socialist race false flag, told us that a presidential executive order “mandates the apprehension and detention of Americans who merely show signs of ‘respiratory illness." in its Ebola coverage, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, one gets a pass on this fallacy.

You mean that you loose credibility when you claim something that has already been disproved or is outlandish.

It's kind of like claiming that the Benghazi attack was carried out by locals because of an Internet video long after on the scene sources made it clear that it was an organized attack.

We shouldn't trust anyone who would do that!

LOL! Your response is a straw man fallacy (no I do not mean that, so your example is based on faulty premise), and your Benghaaaaaaaaaazzziiiiii analogy is therefore a bad analogy (logical fallacy), not to mention a red herring (logical fallacy) in its own right. Congrats on your hat trick.

Rotohead - there are trustworthy websites published by newspapers and other media that have names you might recognize such as the Washington Post, NY Times, Boston Globe, NPR etc. These enterprises are accepted by most as worthy of citation.

Any website with a point of view (amren and VI Consortium to name two) are suspect as factual - since statistics can be manipulated to prove a point rather than a factual truth. Read those POV websites, by all means, just don't cite them to others if you want to prove a point.

Monogram - it is the nature of privileged old white men to sit around talking about how the world should fit their 20th Century vision of it. They'll die soon and you will be the inheritor of a 21st Century world of diversity, constant change and discourse - the very one these guys try to deny.

Also, don't get sucked into the elitist exceptionalism expounded by privileged old black men (and some women) from the VI. These are the leaders who wasted lots and lots of money and the time of many important people to present to the Federal government a draft of a VI constitution that denied civil rights to US citizens living in a US Territory.

Mark this, the biggest attraction of the United States Virgin Islands is two words - United States. Perennial sunshine and beautiful beaches run a far second and third.

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Funny how arch-conservatives who abhor when minorities in the states play the race card come down here and chuck that card faster than a poker dealer. Nobody hates white people here, except for maybe Bert Bryan, the failed and thrice-rejected Senator.

I don't think that you speak for everyone.

I had a couple of friends who worked at the hospital, JFL. They were both surgeons, recruited by Dr. Griffith. They had many years of medical experience and graduated from prestigious medical schools. They tried to improve the medical care in the VI by suggesting changes at the hospital. Back when the Cardiac Center was being built they were against it. They argued that the money should instead be spent improving the quality of care and service at the regular hospital instead. They were villainized. They came in one morning to find that notes had been shoved under their office doors during the night. The notes said "We don't want you white doctors coming down here with your boats and airplanes and trying to tell us how to run our hospital, go back to where you came from.".

They reported this to the police but of course nothing ever came of it. They eventually left island. I guess given the continuing quality of medical care on the island they were right. We lost two excellent surgeons.

Sounds more like they couldn't "hack it," meaning adversity, strive to make a difference and threw in the towel and abandoned ship, to me.
"Island life is not for everyone."

so if a white person who lives in the states is called cracker or redneck by a black, thats not racist because the white population is dominate ?

not sure if thats your point or not

and if the info this site you seem to detest gets its info from a site you agree with, isnt it still the same info?

http://youtu.be/1cuQTGKD01M

Rotohead - there are trustworthy websites published by newspapers and other media that have names you might recognize such as the Washington Post, NY Times, Boston Globe, NPR etc. These enterprises are accepted by most as worthy of citation.

Any website with a point of view (amren and VI Consortium to name two) are suspect as factual - since statistics can be manipulated to prove a point rather than a factual truth. Read those POV websites, by all means, just don't cite them to others if you want to prove a point.

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Mark this, the biggest attraction of the United States Virgin Islands is two words - United States. Perennial sunshine and beautiful beaches run a far second and third.

It is amusing that people continue to harp on the one website. I explained how I came up with that website. I googled "violent crime by race" and it was the first entry among many and presented the same view as other websites including washington post, wikipedia, factcheck, etc. And later sited the source link from the Bureau of Justice Statistics along with their comments on the data. Yet everyone seems to want to focus on that one website as an excuse to avoid discussing the actual data.

Yes, United States, sunshine and beautiful beaches. You mean you didn't come down here to bask in the culture?

Sounds more like they couldn't "hack it," meaning adversity, strive to make a difference and threw in the towel and abandoned ship, to me.
"Island life is not for everyone."

Yes, they decided it wasn't worth their time to put up with the racism.

I guess with CMS reviews of JFL, they proved to be correct about the quality of care.

LOL! Your response is a straw man fallacy (no I do not mean that, so your example is based on faulty premise), and your Benghaaaaaaaaaazzziiiiii analogy is therefore a bad analogy (logical fallacy), not to mention a red herring (logical fallacy) in its own right. Congrats on your hat trick.

Thank you for your opinion. I know that Factcheck.org might not be on the approved progressive reading list but many feel that Hillary intentionally misled the public.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

It is interesting that you point out that infowars publishes information which has already been discredited and are upset by that but have no problem with Hillary propagating information which has already been disproved.

Monogram - it is the nature of privileged old white men to sit around talking about how the world should fit their 20th Century vision of it. They'll die soon and you will be the inheritor of a 21st Century world of diversity, constant change and discourse - the very one these guys try to deny.

Also, don't get sucked into the elitist exceptionalism expounded by privileged old black men (and some women) from the VI. These are the leaders who wasted lots and lots of money and the time of many important people to present to the Federal government a draft of a VI constitution that denied civil rights to US citizens living in a US Territory.

"They'll die soon and you will be the inheritor of a 21st Century world of diversity, constant change and discourse - the very one these guys try to deny. "

Can't wait 'til the Millenials take over 😉

And trust me, no one hates the political class in the VI more than me. In most places, the political class is comprised of the most talented (or at least pretty smart) citizens. Here, the most talented youth are exported, and the most talented residents never run for office. The USVI: where our greatest export is talented youth.

I am aware of the surgeons who left. Chris was a great guy. Still, don't give only one side of the story.

Funny how arch-conservatives who abhor when minorities in the states play the race card come down here and chuck that card faster than a poker dealer. Nobody hates white people here, except for maybe Bert Bryan, the failed and thrice-rejected Senator.

FYI. I am not an arch-conservative as you would cast me. I am an Atheist Libertarian. I am pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, etc. I think that everyone should be treated equally. Nothing that I have said contradicts that. I abhor big intrusive government.

We are all US citizens here, no one has any more rights than anyone else. Why have at-large elections continued here when it has been documented repeatedly in the states that this is used to suppress minority voting. Districting Now!

Maybe Bert was thrice rejected as a Senator but he was also elected as Senator. He was Police Chief, he was elected to the Constitutional convention, He was elected to head the St Croix Board of Elections, etc. He is not being rejected by local people, he is supported by many.

"Among those arrested is Capt. Adelbert Bryan, Frederiksted police commander and a prominent politician who won 35 percent of the vote in the last election for governor. The FBI charged him with looting building materials from a lumber and hardware store."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/hurricane/archives/hugo89a.htm

I am aware of the surgeons who left. Chris was a great guy. Still, don't give only one side of the story.

I am not sure who Chris is. Not one of the surgeons that I was referring to. Which side did I miss? You mean there were others?

Monogram - it is the nature of privileged old white men to sit around talking about how the world should fit their 20th Century vision of it. They'll die soon and you will be the inheritor of a 21st Century world of diversity, constant change and discourse - the very one these guys try to deny.

Also, don't get sucked into the elitist exceptionalism expounded by privileged old black men (and some women) from the VI. These are the leaders who wasted lots and lots of money and the time of many important people to present to the Federal government a draft of a VI constitution that denied civil rights to US citizens living in a US Territory.

"They'll die soon and you will be the inheritor of a 21st Century world of diversity, constant change and discourse - the very one these guys try to deny. "

Can't wait 'til the Millenials take over 😉

And trust me, no one hates the political class in the VI more than me. In most places, the political class is comprised of the most talented (or at least pretty smart) citizens. Here, the most talented youth are exported, and the most talented residents never run for office. The USVI: where our greatest export is talented youth.

Don't you know you've already taken over? The world belongs to the young, not the old. So, what you going to do about making the VI a better place for all?

LOL! Your response is a straw man fallacy (no I do not mean that, so your example is based on faulty premise), and your Benghaaaaaaaaaazzziiiiii analogy is therefore a bad analogy (logical fallacy), not to mention a red herring (logical fallacy) in its own right. Congrats on your hat trick.

Thank you for your opinion. I know that Factcheck.org might not be on the approved progressive reading list but many feel that Hillary intentionally misled the public.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

It is interesting that you point out that infowars publishes information which has already been discredited and are upset by that but have no problem with Hillary propagating information which has already been disproved.

Not sure where you got the "already discredited" from. Nobody's had a chance to debunk the current San Bernardino conspiracy. Always happy to read factcheck.org, but I'm not taking the bait on your red herring. It's irrelevant to my comment, not to mention the discussion of racism.

Why have at-large elections continued here when it has been documented repeatedly in the states that this is used to suppress minority voting. Districting Now!
/hugo89a.htm

The districting in the states is done by the politicians for the politicians to keep the majority party in power. The districts in NC are disgusting. Look like an inkblot test. Literally the first thing the politicians did when the new party came into power was redistrict. And if minority voting doesn't favor the party in power the districting will not favor the minorities. And visa versa.

Why have at-large elections continued here when it has been documented repeatedly in the states that this is used to suppress minority voting. Districting Now!
/hugo89a.htm

The districting in the states is done by the politicians for the politicians to keep the majority party in power. The districts in NC are disgusting. Look like an inkblot test. Literally the first thing the politicians did when the new party came into power was redistrict. And if minority voting doesn't favor the party in power the districting will not favor the minorities. And visa versa.

I agree. It's based on pure politics. The gerrymandered district map in my previous state (PA) looked like a plate of spaghetti. My district became a long squiggly line through 4 large counties, splitting 3 of those counties in half, and even dividing school districts. They added us on to a district where the party in power knew they would lose if they didn't pick up sympathetic voters from my county. (The rest of my county got tacked on to an existing district that was a sure win). And the one they would have lost? City with majority liberal Blacks. The sympathetic voters? Suburbs with conservative majority Whites. Guess who wins the elections in the newly formed district now.

thank you sparty. interesting

the following definition is from wikipedia. Cracker, sometimes white cracker or cracka, is a derogatory term for white people,[1] especially poor rural whites in the Southern United States.

even though i do not get that offended by these terms, they are still derogatory terms.

i do get offended when someone questions my character.

In Florida, the term crackers is used in reference to descendants of white settlers who used whips to herd cattle out of the scrub and palmettos.

It is not a derogatory term.

I try not to label, i came here from the mainland,been here 4 years, I keep it simple I'm a "Born Again Crucian"