Member of Governor's security detail nabbed with cocaine at airport

Did you read the article. There is very weak evidence suggesting drug testing makes places safer. This is insurance companies covering their behinds.

I don't know exactly why you're opposed to drug testing for certain postions especially as it pertains to the topic. Not welfare recipients.
I'm sorry that your sister had to know how to beat a drug test.
That must be difficult.

Agenda!

Agenda? Well I suppose I do have an agenda. My agenda is one of personal liberty, fiscal responsibility and doing things that work

Did you read the article. There is very weak evidence suggesting drug testing makes places safer. This is insurance companies covering their behinds.

If 40% of workplace accidents occur because of drugs, and you have no accidents related to drug use since drug testing prohibits employees with drug use, how can you possibly dispute that it works? I have worked in an environment that proves it works.

40% of workplace accidents and deaths are caused by someone drunk or on drugs. Tell me again how much safer drug testing makes everyone? Drug testing is a way for corrupt insurance companies to cover their @sees. I guess it also created a whole new business onto itself as well. Yep. So. Much. Safer

At my work place, we do pre employment, and then only if you have an accident with power equipment (forklifts, order pickers, etc). We also DT if you have a worker's comp claim. In 11 years, I would say that 4% of all accidents, the employee had drugs in their system. Not to say, that they aren't doing drugs and never got hurt or had an accident, but I do believe it does deter drug use in the workplace.

We drug test immediately after the accident, and if there are drugs, it's immediate termination.

I don't see how this is a personal liberty issue, you agreed to work for the company, you know the companies rules. If you you take offense to those rules, work for someone else.
Lastly, we are self insured, so there is no insurance company saving their A$$es.

So i do feel safer at work, knowing that most people stay off drugs, so they can keep their job.

This year alone, we have probably had 400,000 work hours and only 2 minor accidents at my workplace. Some of our other locations have gone accident free for 2 years.

Not sure what you do Sparty, but obviously it has skewed your perception of being in a drug free workplace.

And don't underestimate the psychological factor when your employment requires that you be drug-free, random drug testing is conducted and a positive test is grounds for immediate dismissal.

And don't underestimate the psychological factor when your employment requires that you be drug-free, random drug testing is conducted and a positive test is grounds for immediate dismissal.

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And don't underestimate the psychological factor when your employment requires that you be drug-free, random drug testing is conducted and a positive test is grounds for immediate dismissal.

Yes. It removes the temptation and had kept many people I know drug free.

Again, the evidence is not there. Read the blessed article. Google it. The only "evidence" is provided by insurance companies and companies that provide testing. I feel it makes me safer is not evidence. Are you all shills for Big Drug Test? Lol. I'm done arguing. Enjoy your myopic state of safety

Did you read the article. There is very weak evidence suggesting drug testing makes places safer. This is insurance companies covering their behinds.

Sparty, just one observation and one question.

1. One thing which struck me right off the bat is that the article you linked contains more "might"s than Carter has little liver pills.

2. One of your major points seems to be "invasion of privacy". If you were offered employment within your field which was beyond all your wildest dreams in every respect and the company required pre-employment drug testing and subsequent random testing, would you take the job?

Exactly. Every incident or accident requires a post event test. Zero. Nada. None.

40% of workplace accidents and deaths are caused by someone drunk or on drugs. Tell me again how much safer drug testing makes everyone? Drug testing is a way for corrupt insurance companies to cover their @sees. I guess it also created a whole new business onto itself as well. Yep. So. Much. Safer

Now ask Jane how many workplace accidents happened at Hess/Hovensa due to drug use. Where pre-employment and random testing was required. In my 27 years there (and yes, I've read the reports) I do not recall a single one.

I worked for a large defense contractor for many years that built and overhauled military aircraft. I can say with a large degree of certainty that the random and after incident drug testing program had the intended deterrent effect. It just simply
wasn't worth the risk of ending your career.
However it didn't solve the problem of alcoholism. we did have that issue. It seemed easy for the management to look at someone who had smoked a little weed as a leper, while condoning and engaging in alcoholic behavior.

Again, the evidence is not there. Read the blessed article. Google it. The only "evidence" is provided by insurance companies and companies that provide testing. I feel it makes me safer is not evidence. Are you all shills for Big Drug Test? Lol. I'm done arguing. Enjoy your myopic state of safety

Your basing everything off this one article, based on on Professors research? Kind of short sighted? How many studies have been done? It's like anything else, one article or research project projects one image, then another comes along and shows the exact opposite. I base my info on life experience, not some guy who has a PHD and teaches at a university and not working a "real" job.

There are multiple studies. Ill link them all later. I'm off to enjoy the day with my boy. I sure hope everyone driving today has been drug tested. I have never once been subjected to a pre employment drug screen. I may be subjected soon though.

There are multiple studies. Ill link them all later. I'm off to enjoy the day with my boy. I sure hope everyone driving today has been drug tested. I have never once been subjected to a pre employment drug screen. I may be subjected soon though.

6,000 people at the peak of employment at Hess/Hovensa. Not one incident in the last 27 years that I was there and reviewed accident reports was drug related. Link your study to dispute this fact.

Anecdotes are STILL not evidence

Anecdotes are STILL not evidence

It is not an anecdote. It is a documented fact.

Mandatory pre-employment drug testing and random testing and post incident testing are facts. No accidents related to drug use is a fact. Therefore it is documented evidence.

Did you read the article. There is very weak evidence suggesting drug testing makes places safer. This is insurance companies covering their behinds.

I'll just state, I don't think you've ever worked in a high risk enviroment. I've worked construction before drug testing and remember the guys that would toss a couple back in the morning to stop the shakes, and then have a couple more at break/lunch and be pissed up by the end of the day. I don't miss that shit at all

And again you don't know WTF you are talking about, we'd have a call with the unions and those that took the call knew they'd have drug testing before they came out and we'd still get guys that would piss hot.

Drug testing self selects

It's funny to see you spout your ignorance. I doubt that you'd be so bold with a bus driver carting your kids around

Pre-employment and then random testing is the key. Once and done just isn't, well, done. We culled quite a few people with the ore-employment. Substantially less with the random. Knowing that you can be pulled in at any time has that effect.

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Pre-employment and then random testing is the key. Once and done just isn't, well, done. We culled quite a few people with the ore-employment. Substantially less with the random. Knowing that you can be pulled in at any time has that effect.

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Law enforcement organization I worked in did just that.

They'd come to you on shift and you would have to respond to the lab immediately.

Kinda hard to beat that one?

In 23+ years I know of only 1 that screwed his career totally.

CD

I'd really be interested to see the demographics of those who are shills for Big Drug test and Big Insurance. I mean those in favor of drug testing.

Good Grief!

Spartypants needs to give it up.

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Well, there has been some chatter about requiring random drug tests for Wellfare recipients. Not sure how I feel about that.

Edit: Sorry, didn't see that was touched upon earlier in the thread.

I thought about it quite a bit and I'm giving it up here arguing with the lot of you. Ill rest easy knowing my generation may change the silliness brought about by the previous one. This forum is like having a.discussion with my mother and aunts and uncles. Always ends with "get off my lawn".