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 br1k
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Ok, so here is the thing - I like exploring, I love water and any place where water meets land just makes me unnaturally happy 🙂

So I am trying to visit (and photograph) as many beaches and bays here as possible, in particular those off the beaten path, empty etc. Ideally I'd like to photograph every point on the St. Thomas shoreline for a complete set, may be share them on Panoramio.

So, today I tried to reach a few bays on the west end. To my disappointment the most interesting bays seem to be off limits (private, that sucks). Finally I figured out a road to Caret bay. That's one tough trail - definitely tested the limits of my poor old jeep.

Well, I get down there finally - and the view is absolutely breathtaking. However, among other things I am met with the usual set up of a few old chairs (which I tend to find on almost any less crowded beach) and this cheery poster:

In case you can't see the image, here is what it says:
Angry face likeness, 2009 and then "Locals only, Don't even come here. If you do you you will be r...d".

Now I couldn't make out that last word, but whatever it is I am sure it's not something I want to experience. I also suspect that unlike at the Sea World, "locals" in this interpretation means "black islander" rather than "bearer of local drivers license". Certainly my pale flabby complexion will never pass for anything but a glorified tourist even if I live here for a 100 years.

So, to those more familiar with local customs and etiquette - am I putting myself in danger of being "r...d"? Will it end with me being hung upside down on one of those poles to scare off other uninvited guests? Should I stick to Magens bay?

 
Posted : November 23, 2009 10:15 pm
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Turn the sign over and write, What is r...d? Then you can evaluate whether it is worth the risk.:@)

 
Posted : November 23, 2009 10:21 pm
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Umm, that sounds like a dangerous advice. My guess is "r..d" is either "robbed" or "raped", perhaps both at once. I am worried they might decide to demonstrate.

 
Posted : November 23, 2009 10:25 pm
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I was joking. If I saw that sign I would have ran right out of my pants.

 
Posted : November 23, 2009 11:08 pm
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I would have too, but the trail down there is very tough going - I could drive with average speed of less than 1 mph stopping frequently to check for damage and see what's ahead. Nowhere to run. Plus, considering how tough the trail is - I don' t know how soon I'll want to try it again, my jeep may not live through another trip.

But yes, it did spoil the enjoyment of the place and I didn't spend nearly as much time there as I'd like, and didn't go exploring too far.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 12:05 am
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br1k, you sound like the same kind of person my hubby is. He is always taking us off road somewhere and I am scared to death the boogie man is going to jump out of the bush with a machete and hack us to death. I am usually rocking back and forth in the seat saying, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home".

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 12:18 am
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haha, funny 🙂

I prefer to go alone, my family wouldn't understand and in any case I enjoy finding a secluded spot and sitting there, meditating to the sound of waves crashing and wind whistling. Hard to get to that nirvana though when you are about to be r...d.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 1:02 am
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you dont have a thing to worry about, we have never had an issue

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 1:20 am
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What's your experience with meeting locals when you visit one of "their private"/secluded beaches like?

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 1:27 am
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My advice is to go slow. Private property is private property, even if it contains a wonderful beach. You're new here and it probably shows. Why not take some time and leave the out-of-the-way places until you're more acclimated?

I would personally NEVER go down an unfamiliar road unless I was 100% sure it was public and passable. Forget about unfriendly property owners, it's also possible to ruin your vehicle.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 3:16 am
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that place is not private property, though. I would never knowingly trespass.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 9:21 am
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"locals" in this interpretation means "black islander" rather than "bearer of local drivers license".

Watch how you say that, you may offend the white people here!

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 11:37 am
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All beaches are open to the public in the VI, the trouble is that there isn't enough public rights of way. We've been to nearly every beach on STX and enouncered locals. Just give a greeting and gague the vibe. It's usually cool.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 11:43 am
 br1k
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"locals" in this interpretation means "black islander" rather than "bearer of local drivers license".

Watch how you say that, you may offend the white people here!

Ha 🙂 You always offend *someone* - can't ever play it safe enough.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 3:26 pm
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"locals" in this interpretation means "black islander" rather than "bearer of local drivers license".

Watch how you say that, you may offend the white people here!

Ha 🙂 You always offend *someone* - can't ever play it safe enough.

...probably some kids who don't know how to spell "RAPTURED"....LOL

BTW, LOCAL used to mean "born here", which also excluded Black Islanders from St. Lucia, Trinidad, Antigua, etc...

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 5:32 pm
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@Native Son, according to the down-islanders I know, "local" still means "born heah".

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 5:45 pm
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@Native Son, according to the down-islanders I know, "local" still means "born heah".

I know....it is all so very silly. What if my mother is from St. Lucia, my father from Antigua, and I am born on St. Croix? Are there varying degrees of "localness", and who defines those? What if the slave ship dropped off someone in Antigua, and then took his/her brother/sister/mother/father/uncle/aunt to St. Croix?

My definition follows.

Local: one who pays local taxes.

This will probably eliminate the author(s) of the sign, hahaha

Maybe he/she/they should be voted off the island LOL.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 6:53 pm
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"locals" in this interpretation means "black islander" rather than "bearer of local drivers license".

Watch how you say that, you may offend the white people here!

DUN,

"Black islander" is a perfectly reasonable descriptor, like referring to a Jewish individual as a "Jew". A couple of days ago you used the pejorative racial slur "darky," which is like referring to a Jew as a "kike."

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 7:01 pm
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dnt, would you prefer Schwarze?
Now, that would have been racist !

Your yiddish is showing...I have the same blood.

OK, I NEVER said "Darkey"(I`m quoting you on that word).
What I said(am I`m quoting myself is "I spoke with many waitpersons here, & they said locals(dark) just DON`T tip!'

So, locals(dark) is so dam offensive that you & Pam think less of me(as if I could give a @#$% or either of your opinions?).
I do hope we can one day respect each other though, I do have a much lower opinion of the two of you at the moment...

Just HOW MORE politically correct can you get than "locals(dark)"
Is "black islander" more politically correct???(IMO, I think it`s still politically correct but I`m not going to split hairs, I`ll leave that up to you as that is after all what your doing.

And the scientific hypothesis,( I think we established that since the theory had been tested, here on this board)<This supports my claim& elevates it above a simple hypothesis.

Yes, I do pay taxes heah!

I`ll quote myself again..."And, to those getting offended as to how I put it, when did we become so subservient of others feelings that we cannot properly express ourselves?"

And I`ll end using anthers quote from the same post
"I may not like what you have to say, but I`ll defend to the death your right to say it"-Voltaire

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 9:50 pm
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I have a feeling that "black" is more acceptable than "dark" because "black" is simply a color, whereas "dark" is an adjective that, aside, from the sense of color also has character connotations, perhaps unintended.

This topic definitely got interesting but I still don't know if it's safe to visit Caret bay 🙂

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 10:37 pm
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I think the sign refers to non Northside Locals coming in to surf the break - and some of the condo villa renters that consider that beach to be part of their rental.

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 10:45 pm
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Your yiddish is showing...I have the same blood.

Your assumption about my heritage is incorrect.

So, locals(dark) is so dam offensive that you & Pam think less of me(as if I could give a @#$% or either of your opinions?).
I do hope we can one day respect each other though, I do have a much lower opinion of the two of you at the moment...

Just HOW MORE politically correct can you get than "locals(dark)"

I don't think less of you, and I'm sorry you have a lower opinion of me. I consider word choice less a matter of political correctness and more a matter of human respect. Since you're so fond of quotes I will illustrate my perspective using one: "Watch your thoughts, they become your words. Watch your words, they become you."

 
Posted : November 24, 2009 11:19 pm
 br1k
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I think the sign refers to non Northside Locals coming in to surf the break - and some of the condo villa renters that consider that beach to be part of their rental.

Umm, I am one of those "northside locals" 🙁 I don't surf, but I do enjoy watching the waves.

 
Posted : November 25, 2009 12:25 am
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Native Son, LOL! I like the way you think!

 
Posted : November 25, 2009 12:53 am
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I've lived on STX for 6 years and consider myself a "local". What else would I be?

 
Posted : November 25, 2009 2:48 am
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