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(@vasecs)
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I had to share this! Got it from a local friend who knows the IHOP owner! Wonder if the other occupants of IHOP suffered financially from this? Make a good legal case. This will put a hole in the bottomline!

I’ve heard it all now…

The owner of IHOP/Sunny Isle on STX opened a few years ago. She applied for WISE grant money as her WAPA bills average $8,000/mo. She has come close to closing due to the increases and continued high rates despite her efforts to reduce consumption. She resorted to running her generator half a week instead of using WAPA and there was no reduction in her bill. Engineers urged her to hire an electrician and check her wiring to the generator and other areas.

She was in the process of installing Solar PV and recently cut the power to her free-standing building for those purposes. Immediately First Bank across the parking lot (also free standing building) lost all power. It turns out she has been paying the bank’s WAPA bill all this time. They run tons of T12s, equipment, alarms, HVAC set like a meat locker: 24/7.

They are guessing IHOP and First Bank were reversed when built. She is apparently going after First Bank to reimburse her for over payments. She said that WAPA had been out there repeatedly.

Unbelievable.

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 6:59 pm
(@speee1dy)
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not unbelievable at all, i know people who have done that on purpose and thought it was ok

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 7:03 pm
 lc98
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Done what on purpose?

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 8:06 pm
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Good luck! Hope 1st Bank steps UP and does the right thing.
This should not be her probelm but WAPA's in terms of the costs of sorting it out and reimbursing while they work out a deal with Bank to assess the wrongful charges to the IHOP business. Get PSC involved as well.

I doubt the bank actually did anything on purpose to STEAL power but S**t happens in the VI.
As long as there are no fees invloved in sorting things out to th wronged party and monies PAID back and not just credited, it would be a JUST resolution.

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 8:19 pm
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wait a minute...wasn't the IHOP building closed for a while before it was IHOP? So how did 1st Bank run then? Something's not right...

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 8:55 pm
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Simple ignorance and lack of due dilligence for all parties involved, perhaps?
it happens..................

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 10:19 pm
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WOW

That's all........WOW!!!!!!

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:13 am
(@Linda_J)
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I agree, that building was closed for at least a year. This doesn't sound right.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:15 am
 Cruz
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wait a minute...wasn't the IHOP building closed for a while before it was IHOP? So how did 1st Bank run then? Something's not right...

That's why I'm not too sure about the initial poster's story. It may be possible, but I don't know.

IHOP building was first Burger King. It was then abandon for a while after BK left. Then I remember a local restaurant/club being there. Think it then went abandon again after that and then IHOP came along.

First Bank building was first Ponderosa and then abandoned for a while.

If the story is true, I wonder what would be Sunny Isles culpability in the issue.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:20 am
Exit Zero
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Shouldn't have too hard a time convincing the bank to settle if all she has to do is hold them hostage for power with the flick of her switch.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:50 am
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I stopped going because it took over an hour to get food and so bad, one time when I ordered whole wheat apple stuffed french toast it was two pieces of wheat soggy wheat bread with a piece of uncooked apple in it.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 9:15 am
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The IHOP on St Thomas which was opened by former senator Petrus (much history there (td)) closed very soon after opening and the excuse was high WAPA bills too. There was WAY more to that whole operation closing than high WAPA bills but it does seem rather ironic that WAPA is the alleged scapegoat in this STX operation as well ...

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 10:25 am
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Call it what you want. The fact is that .54kw is absolutely absurd. Actually, isn't it higher for a commercial rate? And why do they charge a higher rate? Because they offer a better service? naw. Factor in what it takes/costs to run a business, I am amazed that more businesses haven't closed. WAPA takes a huge chunk of profits, and for what? Just to keep the doors open? I've seen bills posted for grocery stores, $33K!!! Compared to an average stateside rate, the bills would be more around $11K for the same service. Who do you think is paying that extra $22K per month?

WAPA BITES.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 10:39 am
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wait a minute...wasn't the IHOP building closed for a while before it was IHOP? So how did 1st Bank run then? Something's not right...

I agree...

The IHOP building was abandoned for a long while... If it had no power, as it should have, then the 1st Bank would not have no power either as it would have to go through a meter somehow...

If both buildings are interconnected (very unlikely but not impossible) then, there would still be 2 meters in place and both should read about half the consumption as both buildings are getting supplied by the grid thru 2 separate connections... I am not certain on that last part, I must confess, but I am only using what may be logical...

WAPA is definitely a factor on its effect on an ongoing concern but, the blame can't be placed on them... The owner new they were there and that it should be included in your operations expenses... Heck, you can even calculate that with good accuracy before you are even hooked on to the grid! I also must admit that the business opened with the factor included, it was barely making a profit, but the rate went up and that could "kill" them if they don't react and adjust accordingly...

IMHO, only solid factual evidence can prove this "aberration"...

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 11:54 am
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I'll wait until I hear about the lawsuit before I believe this story.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:15 pm
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it could be that when wapa hooked up the power to ihop, the wires got crossed. i am sure that happens a lot down here,

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:15 pm
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Wires can't get crossed. A meter base where WAPA installs your meter goes to your building. Now if during the construction phase someone manipulated the wiring to steal from someone else, that's a different story. I do seem to remember in St Croix where there was some collusion with hooking up power after the meter and stealing power from WAPA and some of the line crew went down for it. Maybe this is and offshoot? Hopefully they will figure it out.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 12:44 pm
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I knew this story was BS...full story in today's AVIS.

 
Posted : June 6, 2013 11:14 am
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I knew this story was BS...full story in today's AVIS.

Can you briefly tell? I'm house-bound right now and The Avis isn't online. Thanks.

 
Posted : June 6, 2013 11:34 am
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yes, what does it say

 
Posted : June 6, 2013 12:10 pm
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Yes, enlighten us please.

 
Posted : June 6, 2013 12:51 pm
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Says the whole thing is BS; IHop has a meter and the Bank has a meter.

 
Posted : June 6, 2013 6:22 pm
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Thanks - would love to read the article but unfortunately although I got a ride to my local convenience store this PM they didn't carry the Avis. However, this again is no doubt a prime example of how "news" transmitted via the coconut telegraph should always be regarded with a healthy dose of scepticism and not relied upon as truth until verified by reliable sources.

One of my customers was killed during an armed robbery at my restaurant in 1999. Even years after this tragedy I continued (and sometimes continue to this day) to hear the most dreadful stories about what precipitated it which not only were/are total fabrications touted as "truth" but which assaulted both my integrity and moral fiber and that of the person who was killed. All passed along and embellished by many who weren't even on island at the time but who nonetheless felt compelled to share their "knowledge". And of course the VIPD continually came under severe criticism for their failure to apprehend the robbers/killer. Assumptions - purely assumptions and designed to simply flame. Speak only of what you know.

 
Posted : June 6, 2013 7:07 pm
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i have heard there are a lot of false stories going around about fountain valley too

 
Posted : June 7, 2013 12:12 am
 Cruz
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In my Paul Harvey voice...."And now, the rest of the story."

 
Posted : June 7, 2013 8:00 pm
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