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(@Spartygrad95)
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Golfers can use their clubs. They do not require special licence
Sailors can use their boats. Their license is easier to obtain
There is no place to shoot your guns. Legally
Bring a gun or two to protect your family from danger if you must.
Still the same point. Huge collections of THINGS are not easy or practical here for most. Especially guns with the way the laws are.
I'm impressed with your bio.

 
Posted : April 12, 2015 11:39 pm
(@Spartygrad95)
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Number of guns confiscated in past 7 years... 0

 
Posted : April 12, 2015 11:40 pm
rotorhead
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Number of guns confiscated in past 7 years... 0

Please provide a source for this claim.

 
Posted : April 12, 2015 11:55 pm
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It's unfortunate someone had to politicize this. The amendment may be 222 years old, but there IS debate as to its intent and purpose. The wording of the amendment DOES NOT provide its citizenry to haphazardly acquire arms to do with as one pleases. If we are more strict with the interpretation of the amendment, there would be and rightfully so, numerous reasons to bar one from acquiring arms. Notably the ridiculous extent some go to go obtain automatic weapons...for hunting, for example?! The 2nd amendment was for the fundamental right of citizens to self-defense. If some political persuasions had it their way, we'd be allowed to buy rocket launchers (not an exaggeration). I lived in TX for over 13-years. No joke.

My immediate thought was why the need to bring a mini-arsenal onto a tiny island like St. Croix or St. Thomas? Where do you think you are going to use these weapons? Anyway, it sounds like it will be trouble getting them in, or at least inconvenient.

I'll stick with my single semi-automatic...

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 1:37 am
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My immediate thought was why the need to bring a mini-arsenal onto a tiny island like St. Croix or St. Thomas? Where do you think you are going to use these weapons?

The brits dem are a stone throw away from STT/STJ, and if their queen decides to invade, the firepower of VIPD would not be enough. The good Tomians and Jonians would need more than machetes to defend their independence. For this reason, I would allow assault weapons on STT/STJ. But STX is another matter. The most likely aggressor would be the Danes, and these days they are as meek as the tree huggers. Thus, the guns on STX do not make sense.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 2:06 am
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It's funny, some seem to think that this means that you can have arms for hunting. Others think it means that you can have arms for self-defense.

The founding fathers viewed it as a means of protecting against a tyrannical government.

A militia is a citizen-army as opposed to a standing army. In order to ensure a free state citizens must be able to form militias to rise up to protect themselves. This country had just defeated the British by doing just that, citizens arming themselves, forming militias and rising up to demand freedom against tyranny.

Guns are just tools. Many people prefer them over machetes but both can accomplish the same task. Most guns are used for sportsmanship or hunting. The person who uses any tool to harm another unjustly should be punished, not the tool.

Mark can argue that people shouldn't have "things". If that's what floats your boat then don't own anything. Many people are collectors. Of many different things. Firearms are a very popular "thing" to collect. A person's ability/desire to collect "things" is their own business. It scares me when someone is so eager to give up someone else's freedom.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 3:41 am
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Restrictive firearms laws only keep guns out of the hands of honest citizens. Do you think that the criminals buy their weapons and register them? How is it reasonable for the government to take guns away from law abiding citizens when they know that they are incapable of providing for the safety of its citizens. Owning a gun should be as simple as taking a safety course and getting a background check.

This requirement to have a business reason for carry would probably not pass constitutional muster if anyone wanted to spend the money to challenge it in courts. The courts threw out Chicago's restrictive handgun laws last year. They threw out Washington DC's handgun law last year as being too restrictive. The Virgin Islands could be next.

Many people think that we would be a lot safer if more trained, honest citizens were carrying guns.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 4:04 am
(@Spartygrad95)
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Rotorhead is a collection of antique model trains practical to move to the VI? That prevented a potential employee from coming here. Is a bunch of furniture and fine china practical? The lack of these "things" caused a couple I know to pack up and go home.
More practical than as he called it an "arsenal" of weapons due to laws on firearm ownership here
The burden of proof is on you to show how the 2nd ammendment is under attack by the federal govt.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 9:05 am
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This says it all.

I sold all my guns and it was a large collection when I left California 3 years ago.

I have one for "home Protection" here on STX.

Kind of a relief to not have to deal with concealed weapon all the time.

Even my kid who is a Police Officer in California leaves his at home when he comes down.

Collections are fine with me but it aint worth the hassle here!

From a former Cop.

CD

I worked in federal law enforcement on St. Thomas for almost 6 years and it was hard for ME to get a permit for concealed carry (not that I needed it but I wanted to be covered regardless.) I can't imagine how much of a headache it must be for a non-LEO to get a "possession" permit, much less a concealed carry permit.

My personal opinion is you should leave your collection elsewhere and here's why:

1.) On St. Thomas there was no place to shoot except the police range behind the dump. I think STX has a public range, but I can't imagine it being anywhere near what you'd expect in the states.
2.) Too hard and too much headaches dealing with the VI police to get them registered. Assuming they even give you a permit, they will probably come to your house to "inspect" where you will keep your guns (safe, gun cabinet, etc). And you will have to get a permit for EACH firearm you have. Way too much hassle and anti-gun politics for me....
3.) Don't think it wont get out to the wrong people that you have a big gun collection. Gun permits are public information and any hoodlum on the street can find out who has guns (assuming the corrupt police don't give out that info anyways). That being said, burglaries are VERY common on the islands so do you REALLY want to risk it?
4.) You will have to declare them when you ship them down for customs. This opens up more risk to them being stolen by the shipping companies or seized by customs which would be a whole other headache getting them back. AND you'll have to turn them over to the police within 24 hours of receiving them until you get your permits. If you go through a dealer it's safer, but you'll still have to wait until you get your permits while the dealer "holds" them.

So IMO the VI is the less gun friendly than the WORST state (CA or NY). I'd consider these points long and hard if you must have your guns there.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 9:24 am
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Rotorhead is a collection of antique model trains practical to move to the VI? That prevented a potential employee from coming here. Is a bunch of furniture and fine china practical? The lack of these "things" caused a couple I know to pack up and go home.
More practical than as he called it an "arsenal" of weapons due to laws on firearm ownership here
The burden of proof is on you to show how the 2nd ammendment is under attack by the federal govt.

Yes, a collection of antique model trains is practical to move to the VI. It is quite easy to rent a cargo container, fill it with your trains, etc and ship it to the VI. You would also want a humidity controlled room to keep it in. All very practical. I know several people who have collections of antique furniture here in the VI. Whether or not "things" are important and how much someone is willing to pay to have their "things" is a personal choice. Whether someone has one firearm or many is also a personal choice.

If Ghost Rider wanted to go to the effort to get his FFL he could probably bring down his whole collection.

As for proof, Mark, you made the statement "Number of guns confiscated in past 7 years... 0" with no data to back it up. Are we to accept anything you say as fact unless we can disprove it? Sounds like you have created your own religion, God is real unless you can disprove him. I am skeptical. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not the other way around.

There are many cases of the 2nd amendment being attacked.
http://www.uslawshield.com/pause-for-safety-act-worries-us/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/feb/06/mr-conservative/conservative-website-says-barack-obama-signed-law-/
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/04/ca-torrance-police-settle-for-illegally.html

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 4:44 pm
(@Spartygrad95)
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Not getting into gun argument. I still waiting for martial law to be imposed and FEMA camps set up so Obama can make himself dictator. I'm all for gun ownership, that said, SCOTUS has said many times there are limits on 2nd Ammendment. Fine. Everyone bring all your things. Enjoy. I'm wrong. Done weighing in on this topic. I'll just end with this, if you are having a serious discussion about coming here and are ALREADY struggling with how things are different here BEFORE coming that doesn't bode well. That was part of my point all along. The gun collector just wanted an argument. He won't get it from me. I could care less if he brought a Gatling gun and tactical nuclear warheads if he wants to go through all those hoops more power to him.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 4:55 pm
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I just want a tank with a turret gun to drive our roads.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:06 pm
rotorhead
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Not getting into gun argument. I still waiting for martial law to be imposed and FEMA camps set up so Obama can make himself dictator. I'm all for gun ownership, that said, SCOTUS has said many times there are limits on 2nd Ammendment. Fine. Everyone bring all your things. Enjoy. I'm wrong. Done weighing in on this topic. I'll just end with this, if you are having a serious discussion about coming here and are ALREADY struggling with how things are different here BEFORE coming that doesn't bode well. That was part of my point all along. The gun collector just wanted an argument. He won't get it from me. I could care less if he brought a Gatling gun and tactical nuclear warheads if he wants to go through all those hoops more power to him.

You are the one who wanted the argument, the OP was just asking questions about gun ownership and you laid into him about "things". BTW My wife and I have a collection of Talavera. It is quite practical and we enjoy it despite your claims.

But again, no data to back up your claim. Your "facts" come from thin air.
"Number of guns confiscated in past 7 years... 0"

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:13 pm
(@Spartygrad95)
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Yes things that are impractical to have here. If you think that having an arsenal larger than STX police force, as he claimed, is practical here than we have different definitions of the word. I just googled guns confiscated by Obama. What i did see first was when Bush confiscated guns after Katrina. Nothing about Obama though

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:17 pm
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I just want a tank with a turret gun to drive our roads.

One section of Hull Bay Road was slapped and tickled today. Just where the tour buses go, up to the St Peter Mountain turnoff. Right past there and despite going very slowly I hit that huge crater ... Darn those guys work fast - I was back in less than 90 minutes and they were all done and gone. Hope it doesn't rain too hard for a while. Small mercies.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:18 pm
rotorhead
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Yes things that are impractical to have here. If you think that having an arsenal larger than STX police force, as he claimed, is practical here than we have different definitions of the word. I just googled guns confiscated by Obama. What i did see first was when Bush confiscated guns after Katrina. Nothing about Obama though

So you are saying that lack of evidence constitutes evidence.

Gun confiscation goes on all the time.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/shouting_match_leads_to_gun_confiscation_forfeiture.html

It's funny that you attribute the gun confiscation following Katrina to Bush.
"What i did see first was when Bush confiscated guns after Katrina."
So I assume that means that you attribute any gun confiscation by local LEOs during the Obama presidency as Obama confiscating the guns. Do you have proof that Bush himself actually ordered the confiscation of guns during Katrina?

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:35 pm
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The tank/turret gun wasn't so much for the roads themselves but for the drivers on the roads!

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:38 pm
(@Spartygrad95)
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I just want a tank with a turret gun to drive our roads.

One section of Hull Bay Road was slapped and tickled today. Just where the tour buses go, up to the St Peter Mountain turnoff. Right past there and despite going very slowly I hit that huge crater ... Darn those guys work fast - I was back in less than 90 minutes and they were all done and gone. Hope it doesn't rain too hard for a while. Small mercies.

So they didn't bother with the worst stretch going towards our places?

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:38 pm
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Don't you know that we can't be discomforting the taxi drivers and our tourists? They come, first!

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:46 pm
rotorhead
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When did this go from a thread about "Firearms Ownership" to potholes? Isn't there already a thread about that?

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:54 pm
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So they didn't bother with the worst stretch going towards our places?

Hope springs eternal. But that spot where the orange barrier was set up has been done - that lovely section that was like driving over a jagged mountain. It WAS sprinkling rain when I was headed back home so maybe the workers got scared of melting and tootled off and will come back to do more. What was that I said about hope springing eternal ...

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:56 pm
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When did this go from a thread about "Firearms Ownership" to potholes? Isn't there already a thread about that?

The dissertation on firearms has extended more to a subject better fitted to "Under the Coconut", so who's counting ...

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 5:58 pm
rotorhead
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When did this go from a thread about "Firearms Ownership" to potholes? Isn't there already a thread about that?

The dissertation on firearms has extended more to a subject better fitted to "Under the Coconut", so who's counting ...

Oh my! Our moderator has spoken.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 6:03 pm
(@the-oldtart)
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Oh my! Our moderator has spoken.

No, a mere contributor has opined in answer to your question.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 6:08 pm
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