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(@speee1dy)
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http://stcroixsource.com/content/news/local-news/2014/03/25/undercurrents-virgin-islands-debt-rivals-bankrupt-detroit-and-tro

I just find this interesting

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 12:46 pm
(@janeinstx)
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I'd be interested to know what the debt load is based on the number of people who actually pay taxes.

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 12:56 pm
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I have an old Daily News front page from May 2003 that I saved on my computer file.

The headline reads: "VI tops the world in Debt per captia.
The territory owes $9,036.00 for every resident; far more than countries like Argentina and Israel."

Today: "Meanwhile, each resident’s share of the Virgin Islands combined bond market debt ($1.74 billion) and retirement system unfunded liability ($1.7 billion) is a whopping $29,965.

That’s based on a population figure of 114,800 as cited on the V.I. Tourism website.

If you add another $300 million to cover the infamous “retroactive salary increases” that were promised to government workers in the 1990s but not funded, the V.I. debt increases to $32, ,578 each for every man, woman and child living in the islands."

So our elected leaders have continuosly led us into more and more increased debt, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
There is absolutely no fiscal accountability but a continued waste stream that puts even WMA to shame.
This is where we are after 11 yrs and we have only ourselves to blame by continuing to elect the incompetent.

Time for a CFO to control the willful mismanagement and overspending.

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 1:47 pm
CruzanIron
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Yes, I agree. Now, where are we going to borrow the money from to pay their salary?

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 4:56 pm
(@picaflores)
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Does anyone know how many actual tax payers there are among those 114.000?

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 6:08 pm
(@noOne)
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Yes, I agree. Now, where are we going to borrow the money from to pay their salary?

They'll just not pay the bills as usual.

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 7:04 pm
(@janeinstx)
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Interesting little spreadsheet

 
Posted : March 25, 2014 7:43 pm
(@STXBob)
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Does anyone know how many actual tax payers there are among those 114.000?

All of them pay taxes, directly or indirectly. Gross Receipts Tax and gasoline tax are added to stuff that you buy, for example.

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 1:40 am
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Here's the rest of the letter to DN that I wrote last yr at the same time I compared our debt situation:

I continue to see a complete lack of fiscal and financial responsibility on the part of our Senators without regard to our dire debt situation. Much of which disregards billions of dollars of debt and panders for votes such as in the case of the reaffirmed support Friday for legislation extending until 2016 a program where any long-time V.I. Government employee will be able to take off two years from work with the government paying health insurance and retirement for the jobs that are not being performed. I don't care whether it is for 4 persons or 400 getting these benefits. It is wrong and it is time for these newly elected senators to get with it and show responsibility to all the taxpayers in the VI because from what I have seen and read recently, they sure don't get it and it is costing us with the constant increases in our cost of living, increased fees and deteriorating our quality of lives.

To think we could be stuck with them for 4 years instead of 2 years to a re-election is totally depressing.
Think about it and react.

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 2:44 am
 JE
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I heard the director of the BIR last year on the radio talking about the number of tax forms filed here and I think they said that there were about 31,000 tax returns filed in 2012, and that number included both business and individual returns. I want to say that they also said that there about 17,000 individual returns that actually paid taxes that year, as opposed to those filing for a full refund of any taxes paid during the year or for a tax credit. However, my memory is hazy on this so the numbers might be way off...

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 2:53 am
(@sunshinefun)
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I still pay my taxes to the IRS in the States. I don't care what the BIR says.

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 12:04 pm
(@speee1dy)
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how do you get away with that sunshine? just curious

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 12:20 pm
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Debt can be paid from many sources. Income tax isn't the only source of revenue to the USVI government. I'd say that all residents, all visitors, and more are tap-able.

Here's a partial list from http://www.vibir.gov/docs/TAX_STRU.htm (although not all taxes listed are paid to USVI) :

Individual Income Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Partnerships
Withholding from Wages, Social Security & Unemployment Taxes
Pension, Profit Sharing and Employees Benefit Plans
Charitable Organizations
Estate Taxes
Gift Taxes
Custom Duties
Miscellaneous Local Internal Revenue Taxes
Gross Receipts Tax
Excise Tax
Hotel Room Tax
Highway User’s Tax
Entertainment Tax
Fuel Tax
Telephonic Long Distance Tax
Gross Revenue Tax
Investment Alternative Tax
Real Property Tax
Franchise Tax
License Fees
Stamp Tax
Workmen’s Compensation
Special Aids to Businesses
Economic Development Program
Foreign Sales Corporations
Exempt Companies
Exempt International Banking Facilities
Captive Insurers

There's also federal aid, business license fees (to DLCA), corporate filing fees and trade name fees (to Lt. Gov.), etc., etc. Does anybody know where to find the annual amounts of each of these revenue sources? It would be interesting to see the breakdown.

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 12:56 pm
(@divinggirl)
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I still pay my taxes to the IRS in the States. I don't care what the BIR says.

Be careful - I just had a friend get busted for doing that & it's a big mess.

 
Posted : March 26, 2014 9:38 pm
(@quirion)
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Busted how? More details(without names of course).
I'm curious if it was working remotely for a US based company?
Is someone claiming to be a resident elsewhere?

 
Posted : March 27, 2014 1:10 am
(@divinggirl)
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As a resident of the USVI the taxes paid here stay here. Taxes paid to IRS stay there. There were several years of USVI taxes paid to the IRS and the person got letters indicating they had to pay their years of taxes to the BIR. BIR did not care one bit that they had been paid to the IRS they just want the money that is supposed to be in the territory. The IRS didn't care that the funds should have gone to BIR. They are separate entities that do not cooperate with each other. My friend was told that they are starting to verify locations - not sure how but probably checking all W2's filed by employers to verify the employee is paying taxes in the territory. That is the extent of the information that I will comfortably share.

 
Posted : March 27, 2014 11:07 am
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