Centennial Commission

Humane Society of STT spends way more money each year than STX AWC handling about the same number of animals. Much more difficult to sustain current operations without government funds.

I'm certainly willing to be corrected but I don't believe the Humane Society of STT has received any government funding for several years.

1. And let the government off the hook for yet another responsibility?
2. As I said, I can't speak for STT, but do you know how many fund-raising events STX already has for animal welfare? And how much of that is powered by volunteers? Substantial expansion of this leaves me LMAO.

1. I did not say that, viz "And if that doesn't materialize, you keep up the drive but also help yourself."

2. And, as I said, " ... and solicitation of endowments, trusts and grants ..."

Maybe you could take the time to embrace a train of thought (and it IS based on experience) without immediately taking every opportunity to dismissively jump on everything to which my name is attached.

Every opportunity? Actually, I make it a point to rarely respond to your posts, because you nearly always end up in a condescending attack mode with me, as you just did, and cherry picking, as you also did. I let myself get sucked in . . . . again. My bad.

OK, now you have the last word. Go!

Ha!
Know that feeling, watruw8ing4.

Humane Society of STT spends way more money each year than STX AWC handling about the same number of animals. Much more difficult to sustain current operations without government funds.

I'm certainly willing to be corrected but I don't believe the Humane Society of STT has received any government funding for several years.

So if you look at the 990 under revenue, there is a line item of $254,844 for Animal Care & Disposal. I don't know for sure, but I assume that is revenue from the VI government to do this work. From what other source would it come?

Rather than a government grant, it's work for hire. That's the money that has been removed from the 2017 VI budget.

There may be a line item for it but funds don't seem to materialize to be dispersed in any timely manner, sometimes for years, to our shelters. Additionally, the real costs for the services the shelters provide on each island are much higher than the allotment.

There may be a line item for it but funds don't seem to materialize to be dispersed in any timely manner, sometimes for years, to our shelters. Additionally, the real costs for the services the shelters provide on each island are much higher than the allotment.

The 990 is for 2014. It the $254,844 for Animal Care & Disposal was reported as cash revenue on the income statement.

Did you take a look at the 990 I posted?

No, sorry!

I was thinking about this quote from SCAWC

In a meeting on St. Thomas early this year, the SCAWC clearly expressed the inability to perform the duties outlined in the contract for the payment allocated. A detailed cost estimate for the scope of work for stray animals only (not including owner surrendered animals that make up approximately ½ of the shelter’s intake) assuming a 44% lifesaving rate was $485,000.

So if you look at the 990 under revenue, there is a line item of $254,844 for Animal Care & Disposal. I don't know for sure, but I assume that is revenue from the VI government to do this work.

I highly doubt that that figure represents any government allotment in terms of cash unless it's partial payment on money promised but undelivered over the last many years. I believe the most that the government has ever "contributed" in a single year is $75K.

Backtracking to a previous point I made, note that the total income for the year from membership dues is $2.635. Even at a base $30 for an individual membership, that's a whole 87 people out of a population of 50,000 which is even worse than I suspected. And only six board members?

No, sorry!

I was thinking about this quote from SCAWC

In a meeting on St. Thomas early this year, the SCAWC clearly expressed the inability to perform the duties outlined in the contract for the payment allocated. A detailed cost estimate for the scope of work for stray animals only (not including owner surrendered animals that make up approximately ½ of the shelter’s intake) assuming a 44% lifesaving rate was $485,000.

If you look at the annual report I attached earlier, AWC operated with a $400,000 expense budget in 2015 and declared a profit of $78K (revenue @$478K). Nonetheless, the shelter's lifesaving rate was 20%.

For 2014, the STT Humane Society operated with an expense budget of about $800K and broke even after removing depreciation charges.

Best I can determine, both shelters handle about the same amount of animals.

Cheese and bread. Every post turns in to "won't someone think of the animals". Ill be willing to donate a large sum if somehow stray animals could be trained to ride small bikes or use stilts as part of the centennial celebration.

Cheese and bread. Every post turns in to "won't someone think of the animals". Ill be willing to donate a large sum if somehow stray animals could be trained to ride small bikes or use stilts as part of the centennial celebration.

That's why were voting for you as Governor.. Oh wait, I can't vote there... Maybe I can find a few people that passed away willing to vote for SG - The one for me!

Got you a new slogan - free of charge. 🙂

Maybe Sparty, people are just attempting to help our island's shelters, the animals and bring awareness. If it works to help the least little bit and benefit all, why not?

I mean no offense, I'm not being condescending, sarcastic snarky nor attempting to get or be involved in a long drawn out debate that descends into the aforementioned.

I agree, but this was is about centennial celebration and it turned into giving the money to animal shelters instead. We should be able to have both, but if we can't I'd prefer giving money to shelters for humans who are homeless or victims of domestic violence

Unfortunately the centennial money will go to neither animals or homeless people. Right now $90,000 of it is going to an employee who hasn't produced tangible results.

The Commission should not get taxpayer money. We can't afford it.

(tu)

Not only one individual, either.
There are many feeding of the trough without either performance or accountability.

If I were executive director of centennial celebration I would have stray animals riding unicycles and walking on stilts. Guaranteed

Yes. We all read it the first time.

Unfortunately the centennial money will go to neither animals or homeless people. Right now $90,000 of it is going to an employee who hasn't produced tangible results.

There are many feeding of the trough without either performance or accountability.

Names and titles?

Try reading comprehension and retention ability at beginning of thread?

I see a couple of names of key organizers, some listed titles unattached to names and a proposed budget but it seems that no accounting has yet been forthcoming to indicate that money has thus far been misappropriated - but I'm sure you can provide that information to help the reading comprehension and retention-impaired.

Would this be considered non essential spending?

I see a couple of names of key organizers, some listed titles unattached to names and a proposed budget but it seems that no accounting has yet been forthcoming to indicate that money has thus far been misappropriated - but I'm sure you can provide that information to help the reading comprehension and retention-impaired.

As we're all sure you can, given your extraordinary talents, you can look it up and happily let us know what you discover!
Thanks OT!

I'm not sure who the "we" are unless you've been elevated to royal status but it's increasingly predictable that whenever you're asked to substantiate something and are unable to do so, you immediately resort to throwing the ball back.

Not me!
You're the queen of answers and retorts.
I humbly bow to your vast and encompassing knowledge.

Not me!
You're the queen of answers and retorts.
I humbly bow to your vast and encompassing knowledge.

You're absolutely right in that I give answers when I can and don't speak of that which I don't know or can't substantiate and thus have no problem addressing challenges or accepting corrections. But I'm certainly no queen and your obeisance is very misplaced.

Let's just stop this nonsense.
Life's too short.

I've got no desire to continue this back and forth that erupts into contentiousness and disguised (or not) animosity in every single thread.
I'm not the only one that feels your responses often are unwarranted in tone and delivery.

You have great information to share but sometimes the way you decide to share it or come back at a poster leaves a lot to be desired.

I, too, am guilty of this and I apologize to each and every one of you that's a reader or contributor on this forum.

OT - if I've offended you. I apologize.
Let's all move on and try to do better for ourselves, each other and our islands. Life's better when we help each other.
Peace.