Ariona Law

Read the Bill Here:

http://www.securetheborder.org/uploads/SB1070AmendedByHB2162.pdf

Secure the Border Petition and sign here:

http://www.securetheborder.org/

How hypocritical can he be?

Calderon Criticism of Arizona Law Overlooks Mexico's Tough Immigration Policy

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/20/calderon-criticism-arizona-law-overlooks-mexicos-tough-immigration-policy/

Rotorhead,
I don't agree with you very often, but we do agree on this. My son lived in Mexico for about 10 years. They made it very difficult for him. He did all the things he was required and still couldn't buy property. He's married to a Mexican National. Both their house and car had to be in her name only. They finally moved to the US. With her having her "Green card", life is much easier for them.

Ric

Nice video, Terry!

Ah Anjell, you had me rolling my eyes to the point I didn't bother posting or even reading anything you said.(we were TOO far apart)!
But in later posts, it seems you have opened up, & don't especially like people tacking what they didn't earn(tu) Right on!
So, I will open my eyes & read your more recent posts, as i/we can relate to them!
Thanks, welcome aboard!

this one's posted everywhere, one snopes.com forum even attributes it to bill cosby and the entry is dated september 2009... http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=51210

Where's your sense of humor? You seem to have lost it if it's not coming from Obama.

Yesterday Obama met with Calderon have you not read Calderon's opinion on the Arizona law?

my sense of humor is intact, but thanks for asking.

Hello Dun, thanks for the invitation.

I know that sometimes my comments can look confusing. Honestly, that's not what my intentions are. I was just showing how this conversation can have lots of opinions. And I honestly wanted all of us to be able to offer insight and input without anger, name calling, and be able to bring ideas and suggestions, as well as opinions to the table. Afterall, when talking about racial problems, it always bring out different emotions from everyone. But I think we can do this without any hurt feelings.

Again, I kept mentioning my race, because, again, I have experienced or witnessed what 'I Believe' to be unfair treatment throughout life. And I can sympathize with Ric that said his son experienced unfair treatment in Mexico. So, Ric's son can say it didn't feel good to be standing in those shoes. No one can say it feels good to be standing in those shoes.

I can also say, what I am attempting now is, to think and look at the whole picture. And since I have gotten over the anger I believe I can think more clearly. Believe me, when I am angry about something, I usually do or say things that I can regret. I have gotten over the anger stage, because it has been years that I have been able to find a job to the point I've just said forget it. In that I have found more of an inner peace. The best I can describe this is, you know how some people say, until you forgive someone, you can't move on.

So again, when I say something, it is not to be taken personally, it's just to show examples of, or to widen the discussion of how the outcome of this would be, if we don't pay attention to the real problem, and look for other options than believing the hype given to us by the MSM. I am saying MSM because when you think about it, it seems they are like advertising commercials, repeat, repeat, repeat, and they will have everyone believing what they want us to believe. Really, a lot of times they don't give us the information we want, they give us what they want. Like a 'spin it to win it' scenario, when I say win it, they are trying to win the most viewers, it's all about ratings.

Okay, back to the discussion.

Here is another reason that I kept saying to not JUST target illegal immigrants of Latino heritage. They will now be eligible for refugee status. When I mentioned they will qualify and be able to receive any benefits they want, let's look at the refugees in East San Diego County, there are Iraqis, Burmese, Bhutanese, Somalis....now these refugees deserve more status of being refugees, at least from my point of view. Google the story, "Between Iraq and a Hard Place: Seeking Asylum and a Better Life" this talks about how the Iraqis are confined to their apartments, with no job or car, but they do have social services workers. Then also see this story, "Microfinance Spotlight: IRC Microenterprise" http://sdmicrofinance.org/san-diego-microfinance-spotlight-irc-microfinance/- this was written February 2010 and says that the Iraqis are given loans up to $15,000 to start or expand a business. Now this one I have a hard time with, when Americans with small businesses are having a hard time getting loans, and Americans in general have been having the credit card limits slashed.

The point of this is, when we talk of illegal immigrants getting benefits, what about all of the actual refugees that have come to this country around the same time? I've read news stories that San Diego says they have more refugees that outnumber the Katrina victims in New Orleans. Now to switch to another case about immigrants, and these are legal immigrants, what about the news reports of cab drivers here in the U.S. that have refused rides to Americans that have alcohol or have consumed alcohol?

The moral of the story is, regardless of what country people come from, they all have different cultures and traditions. For example, Americans are different from Europeans in some respects, likewise, blacks from the U.S. are different from the blacks in the Caribbean in some respects, and Latinos from the U.S. are different from the Latinos in Latin America in some respects.

The Obama Administration is deporting far more people than the Bush Administration did.

From http://standing-firm.com/2010/03/05/grassroots-groups-blast-white-house-for-escalating-deportations-and-detentions/ :
"Under DHS Secretary Napolitano, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement removed a record number of immigrants from the country in 2009. Deportations have increased by more than 60% since the Obama Administration took office."

From http://vivirlatino.com/2010/03/09/obamas-real-i-c-e-y-numbers-still-break-records-and-familias.php :
“This Administration seems proud to out-enforce the Bush Administration, deporting on average 1,000 immigrants per day,” said Pramila Jayapal of OneAmerica

From http://www.alternet.org/immigration/145963/immigrant_advocates_say_immigration_enforcement_worse_under_obama :
"[Prominent immigrant ] advocates who spoke at today’s press conference in Washington, D.C. angrily pointed to statistics that showed a significant acceleration in immigration enforcement over President Bush’s last year, with over 387,000 immigrants deported since Obama’s inauguration."

So much for "The Myth of Law and Order Republicans".
(Though I believe it was Bushie who beefed up the Border and Homeland budgets.)

I have no problem with the rise in deportations.
Until they change the law, -the law is the law.

Here in the USVI we have another time-honored form of immigration:
Expectant mothers "visiting" the VI to have their baby here.
Instant citizenship for the child and free maternity costs for mom courtesy of the US taxpayer.

Neil,
what makes you think that only happens in the USVI?
Here in AZ that is the norm. You can hardly get into the hospitals because the illegals use the Emergency ward as their doctors office. Of course the baby then is a citizen and we are "mean Conservatives " if we suggest that the mother and father must go back to Canada or where ever.

Terry,

This is one point I totally agree with you on. However, I saw on a news channel years ago that Chinese women were doing the same thing. The news stated that the women would schedule their vacations to the U.S. around their due date (delivery date).

This is why I agree with you on this, if I were to have a child in Italy, or some other countries in Europe, that would not guarantee my child citizenship. Some countries would say that in order to have citizenship one or both parents must be a natural born citizen of that country.

However, the people of Arizona think that all Californians are for the boycott in Arizona, they need to think again. Duncan Hunter from San Diego, a congressman, is trying to introduce laws that would prevent babies born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants from becoming citizens.

But someone else is taking it a bit further, they are trying to introduce laws that American citizens cannot marry non-Americans even if the non-American is here legally.

I saw today that Sarah Palin said that all border states should adopt AZ's law.
Too bad she wasn't elected.

Terry,

Here I can say I totally disagree with you. I'm not a fan of Bush Jr., but, I would vote for him before I'd ever vote for Palin or Ron Paul.

But I think what needs to happen is, some of the people in states like Arizona and Texas needs to pick a state or two, to go to instead of trying to force everyone to deal with the madness coming from there. Then they can secede from the union as they have been proposing. Then yes, the rest of the states should bring in the national guard to prevent these people from infiltrating other states. I mean, if they want to run a state that disregards the laws of the nation, then let them have their own states.

The reason I am for the citizens part, is because this was originally intended for the slaves that weren't considered people, but property. And when I mentioned some countries deny citizenship to people just because they were born there, this is what I've read is happening in the Dominican Republic, that Haitians and their descendents are denied citizenship, then I read that the people of Dominican Republic go to Puerto Rico to do what the Haitians are doing in Dominican Republic.

I constantly view Phoenix New Times, because I study the people's pictures carefully so if I ever run into one of them, I will know who they are, because they do come into California, and they do use different identities and names. I know what Laine Lawless, Roy Warden, Elton Hall, and a lot of the other people look like that are associated with white supremacy, nativism, and the like.

This is not intended to be a tongue-lashing, but, I just think this country have moved on from the past, and it is unfortunate that they are people coming from Arizona, Texas, Florida and a few other states that are denying the Holocaust, and saying that blacks are better of in slavery, and trying to scare people about the New World Order, when it's actually these very same people that are trying to bring back concentration camps, and that 2012 is supposed to be Paul/Paul meaning for presidential race father/son, and that they are supposed to announce at the olympics in London that Nazi's are now in control of the world.

It's appalling to me that the US Congress would give a standing ovation to the leader of a nation that is currently invading our own. Mexico is a grotesquely racist society. The unwanted human beings pushed out of Mexico, and exploited here and elsewhere, are not considered to be the same race/ethnicity as the ruling class; most of the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico are Indians, whereas the ruling/wealthy class is not.

Calderon did an interview with Wolf Blitzer, and Blitzer asked him some pretty tough questions about Mexico's immigration policy. After some strategic questioning Calderon admitted that when comparing the Arizona argument against Mexico's policy, Arizona has a powerful argument. Here's a snippet of the transcript from CNN's Situation Room:

BLITZER : "What's wrong with the folks in Arizona wanting to protect their border?"

CALDERON: In Arizona, there is some racial profiling criteria in order to enforce the law that it's against any sense of human rights; and, of course, is provoking very disappointing, uh, things -- or very disappointing opinion -- in Mexico and around the world, even here in America. So to introduce this kind of elements, especially racial profiling aspect that are attempting against what we consider human rights, it's the principle of discrimination which is against the values of this great nation.

BLITZER: "So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, can they just walk in?"

CALDERON: No! They need to fulfill, uh, a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedence.

BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?

CALDERON: Of course! Of course!

BLITZER: If somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America through the southern border of Mexico and they wind up in Mexico, they can going get a job?

CALDERON: No, no, no.

BLITZER: They can work?

CALDERON: If somebody do that without permissions, we send -- we send back them.

Americans in Arizona are beginning to see that they have been taken advantage of for far too long. I don't see any of those liberals offering to help pay for the illegals in Arizona. If California would, instead of trying to boycott, offer to cover Arizona's expenses related to illegals, I think they would have a better chance of changing the new law. Put your money (what you have left) where your mouth is, California!

The new law prohibits racial profiling, anjell, so get off that horse. Rather, it is an echo of the federal law the federales are unwilling to enforce.

Antiqueone,

What horse are you talking about? This law is about racial profiling, in fact, there's a case now called Melendres v. Arpaio. This is also about the residents taking advantage of the illegal immigrants, because businesses don't want to pay the prevailing wages to the citizens of this country. I am aware of the citizen Marcia Powell of Arizona that was in jail, and being out in the 107+ degree heat for, what, 4 hours, she died - yet, it is the illegal immigrants that work in this heat, and being paid less than minimum wage, and that's if the employers pay them. Again, I am not pro-immigrant, or anti-immigrant, but I seem to remember everybody saying, "well, they have a right to work to feed their family, and they are doing jobs Americans don't want to do." Come on, what a way to treat people, kick them to the curb when they are no longer needed.

And as far as the elites, wealthy elites, yes, the richest man in Mexico and the world is Carlos Slim, he is Lebanese. The former leader of Belize is Palestinian, I think his name was Musa. And this is the problem, people are worried about the illegal immigrants for Mexico, South America and Central America - yes, and Darrell Issa the republican from San Diego is the richest member of congress who is also Lebanese, who developed and owns the Viper Car alarm system. Did you know the guy who started the edible fruit designs, he was Pakistani. The guy who developed and own the ceramic hair straighteners Lebanese. So, these are the smart people who are buying up America as well as bringing their ideas here, the illegal immigrants are here to work.

Yes, the illegal immigrants here have broken the law to come here to work, meanwhile, you have Americans here that are breaking the laws to commit crimes like robbery, theft, embezzlement, and so on. It's not like to illegal immigrants are taking jobs that are paying over $15 an hour. I keep hearing about the illegal immigrants from Latin America, but, it's the Indian Nationals that are taking the jobs most Americans want. No mention of them getting the jobs to work the pipelines in the Gulf States, and the IT jobs. What about in Los Angeles, at channel 11 a Fox news station, the morning news that have Dorothy Lucy, Jillian Barberi and Steve - they are all Canadians and have work worked at that news for years, Jillian just became a citizen about a year or two ago. Some of the big stores like Target, and KMart have been hiring people from Eastern Europe, no mention of them either. More so, what about the guy that own a motel/hotel that told his Spanish speaking employees to use an American sounding name?

As far as speaking English, this country have always been in the world atlas books of a predominantly English and Spanish languages. Puerto Rico is a predominantly spanish speaking territory.

Antiqueone,

You're too funny. You are reminding me of the lady that adopted the Russian boy, and after not wanting him anymore she sent him back to Russia on a plane, alone!

That's why people need to think of the consequences of their actions, and get away from the learned behavior of instant gratification. Everything can't be blamed on mistakes, the illegal immigrants go where the work is. If there was never any work, they wouldn't have stayed in Arizona. Arpaio and others have been on their tails for years, so certainly, it didn't happen overnight. Sorry the honeymoon didn't last longer.

And California is not responsible for your illegal immigrants. Maybe if Arizona go after the businesses that have hired them, you can probably recoup some of your costs. In other words, quit looking for scapegoats if you want real solutions. And since most have been here 10 years, that would automatically qualify them for citizenship.

Here's a new news piece. If it passes, I think it will be even easier to overthrow than the recently passed law, because the state of AZ would be trying to trump federal law by determining who can be a US citizen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100521/pl_ynews/ynews_pl2192

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Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship

Fri May 21, 7:15 pm ET

The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.

Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.

Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.

Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.

Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.

"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."

His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."

— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News
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greets and good morning

i am a second generation sicilian.
my family escaped sicily to avoid mussolini's madness, and immigrated to tunisia.
their goal was to come to america
first my great grandfather, great grandmother and uncle came to the US...
settled in jamestown, ny...later moving to essex county, nj.
as they made money, my great grandmother went back and forth to tunisia five times and each time brought a daughter (all five daughters were kept in a convent) back to this country.
anyone of italian descent can tell you of the oppression and prejudice they faced upon arrival to this land. (same as any immigrant has experienced).
the difference i see in the present situation is this...
people in prior waves of immigration came to this country (for the most part) with documentation.
they faced rejection of entry on ellis island or any other entry port for any reason by immigration officials.
my family came and
had proper documentation...they
worked worked worked and worked some more.
saved and opened their own businesses.
learned english (although great grandmother refused)
became citizens
kept our sicilian heritage alive at home, including the language, but assimilated into society as americans.
i have no problem at all with people coming into this country legally.
i do feel, that for a time, until we can straighten out the madness that has this country in its clutches, we need to close our borders...TO ANYONE who is not a citizen...and i mean ANYONE...no one group should have privilege of entry, including those wanting to use our educational system.
we need to clean up the disarray in the US...period and in all areas.
the government needs to be accountable to its citizens, bring back work that has been shipped offshore and quit bullshitting us daily.
if ones want to be here for whatever reason, do it legally and learn to speak english.
if i were in a foreign country, no one would change their language for me.
i resent having to be told i need to speak spanish when applying for jobs.
no one spoke sicilian to my people...
my people got no special treatment upon arrival.
why should anyone else?
we already have a stolen people that are disenfranchised and profiled because of the color of their skin here and refuse to see that the privileged few in the ruling class want to keep them this way.
we already have a disenfranchised people here plopped on reservations where even a turnip has a hard time growing because of the power and greed of a small group of people who wanted to take charge.
lets take care of the multitude of problems that face america before we try to save (or steal) the rest of the world.

ANJELL,
you say this only about racial profiling.
If a bank was robbed on STX by a white male with blond hair driving a red car, do you really think the police would or should stop every red car even if the driver or passenger is not white with blond hair? If they only stopped white blond males, they would be racial profiling, wouldn't they?
Will there be people stopped because they look illegal, the law says no, and I hope not. The AZ law is only trying to do the same as the federal law that is not being enforced. Without this law, our law enforcement people have to let them go. There have been many instances where vans were stopped for some driving infraction and ticketed. The officer writing the ticket found up to 20 people stuffed into the van. Immigration was called but were too busy so they had to let the van and the illegals go.
Some of the Coyotes ( Mexican nationals )who smuggle the illegals prey on them. After being paid to smuggle them into our country, they rob them, sometimes rape them, and sometimes keep them hostage until their families back home pay more money. Until we enact laws to try and stop this flood of illegals, this will continue to go on.

STXBOB,
I hope this does pass. Times have changed and America must change as well. I agree that to be an automatic citizen at least one parent should be an American citizen.
Are there situations that are heart breaking where children who have been born here and been here for years find out that they are illegal, or they are legal but their parents must leave. Yes, and it's sad.
But what is the difference between that and a bank robber who after many years is caught and sent to prison. His children are not sent to prison, but in many cases are sent into the system if their is no one to care for them. Should we just let the bank robber go to stay with his family?

California is broke too(Polosi & the dems gave it to the mexicans already).

I am disgusted with our political system. The Mexican president trashed us having never read the Arizona bill or the US constitution. Our elected over paid stuffed baboons stood up and applauded him. What bull! 250000 a year are estimated to cross the border in Arizona alone. . We do nothing. But get caught in Mexico as an illegal and see what happens So why would he do nothing? He is getting rid of the people that don't do anything except drain Mexico. The man is a joke!

If you read the immigration information in the constitution and compare it to the Arizona bill it does not mention profiling. At least the Arizona law does. They have 250000 possibilities to enforce the law every year crossing the border. The country agrees with the Arizona bill by 75 %. And I hope more states are going to pass similar laws. Yet congress does NOTHING. Why? It is an election year. Throw the bums out and get someone who can do something. Boycott Mexico, not Arizona. I did as I was going to take a vacation in Mexico. Not I am not. I WILL GO TO ARIZONA.

And our senators are NO better. They leave money for parties but borrow 250M. What a joke! Throw them out also.$95,000 and what ever else they can get a year. YOU are paying for them to party and boost their egos. YOU.

Billd

Just don't come in the summer time! :@)

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote
a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" --
She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while
visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy
groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million
people go away?"
That's a good question - it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent
of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what
would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America ? The answers may
surprise you!
In California , if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to
Mexico , it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school
systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave
highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one
another as English became the dominate language again.
In Colorado , 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids
And grand-kids - would move back "home," mostly to Mexico . That
would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and
incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of
Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and
the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered
death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop
out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different
languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities
in Colorado . Denver 's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our
working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida , 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine
State back to America , the rule of law and English.
In Chicago , Illinois , 2.1 million illegals would free up
hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free
experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home":
If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S. economy
would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens
at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they
wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in a n additional $401
billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for
local state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more
confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages
that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded
schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions
in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost
of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members
who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our
country. In cities like L.A, 20,000 members of the " 18th Street Gang" would
vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from
Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded
highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American
deaths by illegal aliens!
Drain on America 's economy; taxpayers harmed,
employers get rich:
Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home
countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed,
which further drains America 's economy - which currently suffers an $8.7
trillion debt.
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country,
costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in
California , Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being
bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.
Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in
our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting
and grid locking our cities. It would also put the "progressives" on the
horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of
our greenhouse gases.
Over one million of Mexico 's poorest citizens now live inside
and along our border from Brownsville , Texas to San Diego , California in
what the New York Times called, "colonias" or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those
living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty,
filth, diseases,drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without
sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.
The New York Times reported them to be America 's new " Third World " inside
our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they
expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally
in Texas and Arizona ; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By
enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico .
High integrity, ethical invitation:
We invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries
and/or make a better life in Mexico . We invite a million people into our
country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and
must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders
and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our
civilization and our way of life.
WE MUST GET OUT AND VOTE THIS NOVEMBER!!!!!